Community Bake - Infinity Bread

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The "Infinity Bread" Community Bake

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Per Dan Ayo, the originator of Community Bakes: for those not familiar with our Community Bakes see THIS LINK. The idea of a Community Bake is for those interested learning and baking as a group. Be sure to post the results. This way we can all learn together. This is not a bread baking competition, everyone wins! All bakers with any skill level are welcomed to join the bake.

Although a long-time TFLer, this is my first foray into hosting a Community Bake.  I'll do my best to keep things humming along.  The "official" kick-off is this weekend to allow people to plan their bake but you can dive in now if you want.

I've had an idea percolating for a while for a bread that provides plenty of whole-grain goodness with lots of seeds and grains for extra texture and nutrition, while allowing for flexibility.  In other words, a template for the basic structure with room for the baker's creativity and to adapt to the ingredients one has on hand.  Since it can go in so many different directions, I'm calling it Infinity Bread.  Admittedly, that's a bit grandiose but a lot more accurate than what we see in most advertising.

The other thing about this approach is that it is 2/3 wheat flour, so it will behave like a wheaten bread even though non-wheat flours are used for the final 1/3. 

The basic outline looks like this:

34% bread or AP or plain flour

33% whole wheat flour

33% non-wheat flour(s) - baker's choice

10% seeds and/or cracked/chopped/flaked grains - baker's choice

1.5-2% salt

60-80% liquid (water/milk/beer/whatever) - baker's choice

Baker's yeast or levain for leavening - baker's choice

Sweetener (optional) - quantity and type are baker's choice

Fat (optional) - quantity and type are baker's choice

Other inclusions (optional fruit, nuts, cheese, herbs, etc.) - baker's choice

Three breads using the template, above, have been made since I floated the idea last week.  A sandwich loaf by Gary Bishop, a sandwich loaf that I made, and a lean hearth bread that I made.  While I haven't yet played with a sourdough version using the template, I can see that it would be a simple thing to preferment some of the flour (10-25%, say?) in a levain rather than using baker's yeast for leavening.

For our bakers who might feel they don't have the skills yet to take on this challenge, let me offer a bit of encouragement.  First, you can look at each of the three breads in the preceding paragraph to get a sense of how the numbers translate into a real bread.  Second, if you base your formula on a total of 1000g of flour, the math will be very simple (e.g., 60% of 1000g is 600g) and you will wind up with two large loaves or three smaller ones.  You are certainly free to make a smaller batch if you want.  Third, you can use techniques you are familiar with or you can use techniques that you've always wanted to try.  For example, the seeds and grains component could be treated as a cold soaker, a hot soaker, a porridge, or receive no pretreatment at all. 

Whatever you choose to do with this Community Bake, remember to have fun.  It's an opportunity to exercise a little (or a lot) of creativity while still having enough of a framework to assure a good outcome.  Ever see a kid using bumpers at the bowling alley?  How they get the ball down the alley is up to them but they don't have to worry about throwing a gutter ball. 

 

The fine print...

As always, the CB is a place created for a collaborative effort, both to enhance one’s skills as well as to help others with their skills.  By no means is the template meant to be the be-all-and-end-all of the CB.  Rather, it is a framework that allows multiple ways to achieve a bread that meets the general criteria.  I encourage you to experiment and explore, to modify and to introduce to our CB participants your own experiences and versions.  And most of all, to learn and help all of us to better ourselves as bakers.  I also encourage you to find something you like, change one or many things about it and to make it your own!

And as Dan said:

All bakers of every skill level are invited to participate. Novice bakers are especially welcomed and plenty of assistance will be available for the asking. The Community Bakes are non-competitive events that are designed around the idea of sharing kitchens with like minded bakers around the world, "cyber style". To participate, simply photograph and document your bakes. You are free to use any formula and process you wish. Commercial Yeast, sourdough, or a combination of both are completely acceptable. Once the participants gets active, many bakers will post their formulas and methods. There will be many variations to choose from.

Here is a list of our past CBs. They remain active and are monitored by numerous users that are ready, willing, and able to help if assistance is needed. A quick browse of past CBs will provide an accurate picture of what these events are all about.

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Since many of the CBs grow quite large, it can become difficult to follow the progress of each individual baker. Things get very spread out. In an attempt to alleviate congestion and consolidate individual baker’s bread post, the following is suggested.

Links to baker’s BLOGs that have posted a compiled list of bakes for this CB

End note:  Take notes while you bake.  You may like the results so much that you want to make it again!  And feel free to post more than one bread if you see something that inspires you to try more.

Things are beginning to come into focus. I will start today by building up my rye starter. I will blog all bakes and link 🖇️ them back here. 

Kind regards,

Will F.

 

Love the Infinity Bread moniker, Paul! I'll have to see what I can come up with...

Lance

since there are so many directions a baker could take this.  Looking forward to see your creation, Lance.

Paul

I'll try to bake something in this direction on the weekend. It's quite similar to what I often bake anyway (significant % of whole grain, with seeds - very common approach for me recently, but I don't really bother writing down or thinking through what exact amounts to use...). Thank you for organizing this CB! Been a while since we've had one.

Well, now you've done it, gone and pulled me back out of my spider hole again.

I took my go-to version of Scott MeGee's ciabatta to task here, bastardizing it further by using 40% AP flour, 30% dark rye and 30% semolina.  The final two comprised the majority of the biga.  At the end of the mix I slipped in toasted walnuts and cinnamon coated raisins (thanks Caroline for that trick).

The two hour BF saw a very nice rise with the dough looking thick and shiny, but thanks to the rye it remained quite sticky.  It took a lot more flour on the couche than I desire to use, but I was perhaps overly cautious about the dough getting stuck on the linen

Due to the consistency of the dough it never had that elegant characteristic of a ciabatta dough and indeed the rise in the bake was minimal with the bread coming out unsurprisingly dense and exhibiting none of the characteristics of  what one anticipates in a ciabatta.

It seems to be a fine bread for slathering with butter or cream cheese and/or jam.  And I'm certain will make fine morning toast.  And now?  I'm officially off the hook for completing this CB!

 Comparison to my typical ciabatta bake

That, is  some nice looking healthy bread you made right there. With a little something for the sweet toothed too! So, after a long lament about my dislexia, I went into resident manager problem solving mode. Since Mr. Gates insisted I spend $$$$ before I could actually use the program, and hung a carrot out in front of me. He let me view the now working APP,  but locked me out of editing. After spending too much time going back and forth from open office to make changes, then to excel to seeing the resulting mass numbers;  I remembered Google sheets. The online database I used during the end of my time at NYU. Now I am ready to rock and roll. Through the years technology has always made compensating, easier and easier! Smile...

Instead, I was braced for something baguette-ish, based on your prior enthusiasm.  

You may have just created a new category of bread: the “holiday” ciabatta, complete with fruit and nuts and spice.  That’s also an interesting combo of flours. Rye will lend earthy and spicy flavor notes while the semolina will give rounded buttery flavor.

Overall, I’d be happy to munch on a slice of it, especially toasted.

Paul

Plus I have a vey big soft spot for my ciabatta bakes as well.  

I was intent on following the path of righteous ciabatta up until BF has ceased and then retarding the dough for later baguette joy.  However, I mistook my non-thinking cap for the other one, and used rye instead of WW.  With the rye I had a 1-2 punch of assured stickiness as well as lack of gluten formation thanks to pentosans (or is that pentograms?).

Perhaps a second mis-step (I read in the rules somewhere that I'm allowed two per bake, verdad?) was making the biga predominantly from the two other grains  which yielded a denser biga more similar to 50-55% hydration preferment, and didn't exhibit any of the standard AP biga characteristics.

And with that gift of rye instead of WW I was assured that a baguette shaping and bake would be equivalent to  throwing good money after bad into something.  Hence my bailout - which to the untrained eye might be mistaken for a ciabatta.

Actually, the taste is on the blander side of life, so I might just throw my beret into the ring again, adjustments under notice! 

Alan, at first I saw the open crumb and thought wow! How did he do that with 30% rye along with nuts and fruit.  Then I looked more closely and saw the bake corresponding to the spreadsheet.  That makes more sense and that crumb looks great for the composition of your dough.  This is most unique take on a ciabatta that I have seen yet.  Love the crust with its typical ciabatta wrinkles.

Nice to see you joining in.

Benny

Hey Geremy yes long time. I’m doing great. Reaching the end of our 26 d cruise this Friday. It’s been a blast. Hope all is well with you too. 
Benny

Maybe a little bit of both? Smile...

After a 20 minute ride in the Bosch mixer, the dough looks reasonably developed. Smooth, slightly sticky, and tight. Bulk fermentation

The temperature in the fermentation vessel is 77°F. Timer set to one hour.

Paul!  Thanks for organizing a CB!

I’ve been away from TFL for almost a year with a long work assignment.  Came back just in time for a CB!

 I’m in your neck of the woods this weekend, but I will definitely participate in the CB and post something in the next couple weeks. 👍

Wow! Terrific soft crumb, not gummy at all. I took care not to use more than 20% barley. Then I went ahead with another 14% prefermented source rye . LOL.

I have dough fermenting now for this bake.  I had a bread planned already when I saw this community bake.  The % of non-wheat flour is only 20% though.  I’ll share more later.  Thank you Paul for starting a community bake, it has been a long time since we’ve had one.

Benny

I always check by the frozen fruit even when I was in NY. I am sure it will turn up fresh in the spring or frozen at some point. I may try this barley bread with a wheat starter leaving it at 20% non wheat flour. However, it really does taste great as is. Maybe one big bread instead of two small will tickle my fancy more? I am enjoying a really cool morning right now. Such a relief from the scorching relentless heat! It's clear sailing now for the next eight months,!

Here's my first effort for this group bake.  Besides the flours, flakes, and so forth in the basic template, I've added some cheese and - get this - salt-pickled sweet corn.  I pickled the corn in early September.  Some of the cheese ran out and left voids, and the corn kernels sticking out remind me of teeth, but the flavor is surprisingly good, with the acid from the pickled corn working against the heavy whole wheat/whole grain flavors to make an unexpectedly good combination.

The crumb is pretty open considering the ingredients, and it has a pleasant chew without being tough.  The crust has a nice crispness without being tough.

Here's the formula-

Formula

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102g King Arthur bread flour
99g ww (stone-ground-97% extraction)
30g rye (Bob's Red Mill "dark")
45g masa hariña
15g rice flour
9g ground oats
30g (dry) scald - sifted bran + rolled oats **
6g salt
1 tsp sugar
105g buttermilk***
60g white starter 100% hydration
20g shredded cheddar cheese
30g finely diced cheddar cheese
90g pickled sweet corn/corn relish (rinsed and drained)****

** I used 3 gm ww bran (all that was sifted out) + 7g einkorn bran that I had left over + 20g rolled oats with 90g boiling water

*** I added  20g water during initial mixing and 62g more after a 45-minute rest.

**** I rinsed and drained the corn to try to minimize excess liquid and salt.

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- Mix the bread and WW flours, and the salt and sugar,  with the room temperature buttermilk plus the extra 20g water and let rest for 45 minutes;
- Mix in all the other ingredients except cheese and corn;
- Stretch & fold dough between the hands until a little springiness develops;
- Rest 45 minutes and do another S&F.  This time, squeeze the dough with one hand to make it thinner so it can be pulled out more easily.  The idea is to develop some extensibility as well as elasticity;
- Rest 1 hour and repeat the previous S&F;
- Leave the dough for a total of 5 1/2 hours bulk ferment;
- Refrigerate overnight;
- Warm up 1 hour, and shape, adding in the cheese and corn between layers as the dough is rolled up;

- Proof for 2 hours free-standing; uncover for final 10 minutes to develop a skin for better slashing;
- Bake with steam 40 minutes at 400 deg F plus another 18 minutes to dry out the interior.

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Be careful or you'll be stepping on Ian's (Isand66) toes with his approach to everything but the kitchen sink method of fine bakes.  I'm a sucker for dark crusty baked bread.

And now that you've been initiated into the CB world, you may want to look back on the dozen or so that preceded this one.  They remain open forever to those daring enough to backfill.  The most recent from Jan 2022 hosted by Abe https://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/69775/community-bake-rye-bread .

Alan 

Thanks, Alan!  I don't think Ian has much to worry about from me, but I don't much like seeds for the most part (and they get stuck in between my teeth) so I had to come up with something else that might fall into the category of whole grain, flakes, etc.

I'm still getting my feet wet with rye and rye sours.  I'll take a look at that CB - thanks!

TomP

Especially the part about giving Ian a run for his money.  ;-)

Having never had pickled corn, I’m trying to imagine that flavor. It certainly sounds good!  I have to confess that I’m not especially fond of cornmeal (masa harina in this case) in a predominantly wheat bread.  I’m not sure why, since I really enjoy cornbread.  It sounds as though it works in this bread. 

That's a very pretty loaf, by the way.  Thanks for sharing your bake.

Paul

Thank you, Paul!  The pickled corn, at least this batch I made, is *really* sour.  The kernels still have that nice little pop, but the summer sweetness isn't really there any more. I rinsed it to try to reduce the acidity, but even so it comes through in the bread, but not like the sourness of a sour  loaf.  I don't taste the masa harina per se, but somehow the WW, rye, bran in the scald, and masa marina are playing together in a way I really like.

This doesn’t quite follow the guidelines of the Infinity Bread for the Community Bake, but it is my contribution.  My non wheat flour isn’t up to the 33% range that is in the write up.  I chose buckwheat flour which I toasted well to bring out the nutty flavour to the maximum.  I used the toasted buckwheat flour as all the flour in a tangzhong.  The texture of the tangzhong is different from what I’m used it, it was clumpy in lumps rather than one big mass.  I chose toasted black sesame and pumpkin seeds as the inclusions and used golden sesame seeds to top the loaf.  Instead of butter I used avocado oil and instead of cow’s milk I chose a sweetened soy milk.  

The details are in my blog post.

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there's no such thing as not a nice bake, at the very least.  I'm going to embarrass the man here by saying that he has quickly developed into a near virtuoso with dough.  Always reinventing always experimenting and pushing, and because of his prodigious output, I doubt he has many intermittent clunkers before his next post arrives.

Thank you Paul, fortunately I am going on a very long cruise, including the 4 days in Barcelona at the start and 7 days in Fort Lauderdale at the end we’ll be away about 5 weeks.  So I won’t have a chance to do another bake for this.  But thanks again for getting people involved and interacting, its what makes TFL great.

Benny

This is the same 80% PFF biga at 79% overall hydration dough as before.  One thing seems to be clear to me.  This corrupted ciabatta formula is one of the few if not just about only that I've run across that just does not want to be a baguette.  The dough seemed wrong at divide and shaping early this morning, and the inclusion of nuts and fruit made the task of shaping more challenging.  Even after an overnight retard which included an extra fold at midnight to punch it down. 

First off - with inclusions like nuts and fruit on a slender dough, shaping and scoring is always going to have its own challenges, more so here.   But they were included in this bake to conform to most of Paul's Infinity Bread Template.  The formula for this dough begs to be handled too gently, shaped with no deflation at all and to NOT be scored, as it was designed for a ciabatta bake.  However, the scoring seemed just dandy until the bread emerged from the oven.  

Changes - Still holding at 40%/30%/30% combination of flours here.  All of the AP flour went into the biga which comprised 50% of the PFF, the other two grains were divided evenly at 25% each.  But the major change was substituting WW for the dark rye and tritordeum* for the semolina.  Beyond that, not much else changed in the composition of the dough nor the methodology until the retard phase.

*Introduced on TFL by Abel Sierra a decade ago, tritordeum is a true hybrid grain of durum and barley - not a mixture.  Unavailable in the US,  I was able to bring several Ks home from Barcelona on a prior trip and I like it.  It handles well and bakes up quite nicely.  On our recent trip back I was able to pick up several K more at our local excellent Forn Baltá bakery in the Sants neighborhood of Barcelona. 

I'm a bit disappointed in the outcome due to the misshapen shaping (the slackness of the dough combined with the craggy character of the dough thanks to the inclusions) and the lack of a decent score.  But can't say I'm sorry for traveling this route, and indeed it is a tasty bread, much more to my palate's desire than the earlier bake.

These look fantastic! Your opps Baguettes are kin to my best efforts. I am intrigued by this tritordeum. Debbie, the sales rep at Hayden mills, mentioned how well durum grows here in the low desert. I will mention it. Maybe they can find a farmer interested in exploring the possibilities. Great bake Alan.

Kind regards,

Will F.

 

It would be an excellent grain to grow as it was engineered to be drought tolerant.  However, It is a European grain, developed over decades in Spain.  But before it can come to these shores it must somehow achieve FDA approval, something that hasn't happened yet.  With the exception of Forn Baltá bakery and Handsel and Granel, a bulk bin store in Barcelona, no other bakery nor bulk grain store I walked into there or in Madrid had even heard of it.

Me?  Got lucky and visited their HQ back in 2019.

 

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What a beautiful couple you two are. With your permission, I would like to email this photo to Debbie, to introduce Hayden Mills to this rare hybrid grain.

Given the composition of the dough and the heavy inclusions I think the crumb is as expected and I’m sure the baked baguettes were delicious.  

I haven’t tried inclusions like these in baguettes yet, I’ve only added chocolate and small seeds neither of which interfere so much with the shaping or crumb.  I think you did great considering the challenges, no surprise from me whatsoever.  They still have the typical Alfanso appearance, I could identify your baguettes in a lineup any day.

Benny

after a rough drinking binge and needing a shave and sleep than they do my "typical" baguettes/long batards.  But I appreciate your taking pity on a geezer 😬. 

I posted these probably before you had landed on Isle TFL, but I think they might be your cup of tea for an inclusion bake.  https://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/54325/semolina-wfennel-seeds-golden-raisins-and-pine-nuts .  It has garnered high marks from just about all whose tonsils it has passed through.

white flour dusting on my breads, although I take the plunge once in a while.  Had I planned it out to be such a minimal grigne perhaps that would have made the surface landscape more apparent.  I wish I had snapped a photo of them already scored and on the peel prior to the bake.  For all the world I'd have sworn on a stack of Hamelmans that these would be compliant little critters and provide a nice oven spring.  

I have this thing about never looking in on the bake through the window until it is time to rotate and release the steam, about 10-13 minutes in.  My first surprise came at that moment.  Unless I'm baking with someone else in mind I don't easily get distraught at the sight of a less than expected scoring, and this was an odd duck to begin with.  Still tasty! 

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Baked rye rolls this morning.

Soaked 100g whole rye kernels overnight from Friday to Saturday, about 18 hrs. They became soft, then I "milled" them in a food processor with some more water to help it go along.

Also overnight refreshed my rye starter, and added the equivalent of ~50g rye flour to the rye grains after they became nearly a paste, and mixed in the same food processor. Added some extra water for a soft consistency. Let it ferment a couple of hours, it rose a bit and became a little spongy. Not sure if it was really ready, but I went with it. Added 150 g white and 150 g whole wheat flour as per the ratio (so in the end 150g each type of flour, if you consider soaked rye as flour), 9 g salt, a spoonful of malt extract, and after combining and adjusting the water to reach a soft dough consistency, added a little olive oil.

Let it ferment with some stretch and folds for some time until it seemed a little risen and ready. Didn't note the time...

Then shaped into 8 rolls and placed into a nonstick baking tray with space between. Sprayed the surface with some water and sprinkled with sunflower seeds. Let it ferment overnight on the balcony outside, around 10 C supposedly. Baked with steam in a hot oven on a baking steel, then browned them without steam. I think the steel browned them a little too much on the bottom, but not too bad.

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I wondered if someone would use the template for rolls.  Et voila!  You’ve done it!

Those look mighty fine, too. I can picture eating those with some sausage, pickles, and an aged cheese.  Or just a smear of butter. 

Thanks for your interpretation of this bread. 

Paul

Totally a coincidence (not inspired by Ilya's great-looking rolls), I just completed my own bake of Infinity Rolls.  The form factor is supposed to be Sheboygan rolls, which are similar to Kaiser rolls but with a smooth top creased down the middle -

https://www.tastingtable.com/1429205/wisconsin-sheboygan-bread-rolls-little-known-regional-icon/

The Sheboygan rolls are white flour, fluffy inside with a bit of a hard shell outside, and used to contain bratwursts in a sandwich.  Of course, with the whole-grain-heavy Infinity template they won't be light and fluffy inside, and will have an opinionated flavor, but what the heck!

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The notable changes from my first Infinity try was to add buckwheat instead of rice flour, and to include a tangzhong made with milk and beaten rice flakes.  Oh, yes, there was way too much water because of some mental blip, so I had to compensate with additional bread flour.  For the seed component of the template I showered the rolls with Everything Bagel Spice (EBS), which is mostly various seeds.

The flavor turned out to be superb. You can taste the rye but it is mild and complemented beautifully by the other grains, especially the buckwheat.  The crumb is very open for a grain-heavy dough like this, and the roll has a slightly harder crust but not tough.  These rolls may be the best-tasting grain-forward breads I have ever made.

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102g bread flour*
99g ww (stone-ground-93% extraction)
30g rye (Bob's Red Mill "dark")
30g buckwheat (Anson Mills)
24g masa hariña
15g beaten rice (in tangzhong)
6g salt
1 tsp sugar
30g oil
215g water
60g milk (in tangzhong)
60g starter 100% hydration (25% ww, 75% AP), overripe
30g Everything Bagel Spice sprinkled on outside of rolls**

* Plus 30g added later because hydration was too high.
** Reduced to less than half for the 2nd batch because mix was too salty.

I mixed the wheat flours with the salt, sugar, and all the water and gave it a 45-minute rest.  Then I mixed in the rest of the ingredients and gave them a good stretching in my hands.  The dough got two more S&F sessions over the next hour and a half.

Because the starter was very over-ripe, I expected that the bulk fermentation would be very slow and that's how it worked out.  However, in the evening I portioned and shaped to rolls. Five of them went into the refrigerator after an hour proofing.  The remaining two I proofed for nearly 3 hours and baked that night.  This was partly to check to see if the planned amount of ESB was all right - it was much too salty so I reduced the amount for the remaining rolls.

The next morning I warmed up the chilled rolls for an hour and then baked with steam. I also broiled them for about one minute total to crisp up and brown the tops a little. These five are the ones in the photos.

 

I’ve never had, or even heard of, Sheboygan rolls.  Gotta look those up next time I’m in Wisconsin. Thanks for the introduction!

Your version of Infinity Rolls looks every bit as appealing as Ilya's version.  Lots going on here; rye, rice, buckwheat, masa harina, sourdough.  Plenty of dark, grainy flavors, as you note.

Is the Anson Mills buckwheat flour made with hulled or unhulled buckwheat?  I need to get my hands on some groats to mill.

Yet another creative twist on the Infinity theme.  And rolls, too!

Paul

It seems Sheboygan rolls are unknown farther than 30 miles from Sheboygan. But they are similar to Semmel rolls, I gather.

The Anson Mills buckwheat is wonderful flour. Not only is it unhulled, but "A tiny percentage of our buckwheat is toasted and mixed back in, redoubling its flavor".  Expensive, though.

https://www.ansonmills.com/products/133

These look awesome Tom, I love this style of roll when they have a tangzhong.  I’ve never done one with beaten rice flakes, I’ve never even heard of beaten rice flakes, very interesting.

Benny

I stumbled onto them in a local (more-or-less Nepali-Indian, I think) store one day.  Here is some info and images for beaten rice -

https://www.tarladalal.com/glossary-beaten-rice-poha-rice-flakes-flaked-rice-536i

I was thinking about the recent TFL thread about using instant potato flakes in a tangzhong, and thought these might work the same way.  It was a bit hard to get them to fully mush down to a paste, though.

I used 5% of the flour weight of the rice flakes, and four times that for the milk.  It seems to have allowed for a pretty good crumb openness and delightful chew.

TomP

An unsung hero. Under appreciated. A lot of people are unfamiliar with this pseudo-grain. It's a shame as this humble flour alternative is very tasty indeed and lends loads of flavour to breads. 

Lovely bake, Tom. 

this humble flour alternative is very tasty indeed and lends loads of flavour to breads. 

That's a fact!  10 - 15% buckwheat makes for a fabulous sourdough English muffin, for example.

Based on this recipe.

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Recipe: 

  • 500g Organic Stoneground Wholemeal Buckwheat Flour
  • (?) Water
  • 10g Salt
  • 2 Eggs
  • 18g Oil
  • Half a packet of IDY
  • 100g Seed Mix (35g pumpkin seeds, 35g sunflower seeds, 15g sesame seeds, 15g golden linseed)

Method:

  1. Scald 300g of the flour (should be paste like).
  2. Soak the seeds in hot water.
  3. Wait a few hours. 
  4. To the scald add the seeds, eggs, oil and salt. Mix thoroughly. 
  5. Add the yeast to the remaining four then add the flour to the scald. Mix thoroughly. You should aim for a rye consistency. 
  6. Leave for about an hour. 
  7. Portion out into a loaf pan and bake when a nice dome has formed. 

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This is the best textured buckwheat bread i've gotten from buckwheat flour. And the taste was a surprise. It tastes like it has sugar in it. Very surprised how this turned out. Definitely a method i'll be using again when making a 100% buckwheat flour loaf. 

I have always gotten a lovely texture when using the spontaneous ferment using buckwheat groats (are you familiar with this method?). However when using flour it never gets close to the same texture. There's always a dryness, crumbliness to it. I think scalding a large proportion of the flour works wonders. And on top of that the eggs, oil and seeds soak helped add to the very much improved texture. 

Don't use the very dark (almost black) buckwheat which is very sandy and grainy. I don't think anything will make that into a nice textured dough. This is still wholemeal but lighter coloured. Think there are two types of buckwheat or two types of processing. 

Don't use the very dark (almost black) buckwheat which is very sandy and grainy. I don't think anything will make that into a nice textured dough. This is still wholemeal but lighter coloured.

Where are you getting this lighter buckwheat flour, or what is it called?

on top of that the eggs, oil and seeds soak helped add to the very much improved texture.

I can understand that.  I have a terrific skillet buttermilk cornbread recipe that uses mostly masa harina, and with two eggs and butter it bakes up to a good, if crumbly, texture.

Is regular wholemeal buckwheat flour. I think the very dark one, I once bought, must have been just the hull, or had extra ground hull added to the mix, which is black. Wholemeal buckwheat flour will be lighter in colour, like a light rye, with little specs of black in it. I think your regular buckwheat flour will be the right one. 

I've done this one before without the scald and it was very nice but crumbly. With the scald and it's on a whole other level. After a few hours it takes on a different texture. 

That's a very impressive loaf of pure buckwheat, Abe.  I would have expected a brick but this has a well-aerated crumb that supports the seeds. Do the eggs help to trap the fermentation gases?

If you had to guess, how do you think the scald contributed to the bread; as compared to making one without a scald?

Very impressive.

Paul

Non more surprised than me when I cut into the loaf. I've done the exact same recipe before without the scald. The eggs are supposed to be the [sole] binder in this recipe. It comes out quite nice even if it is a bit crumbly and a tad dry. 

Throw in the scald and the difference is huge. After the scald cooled down the whole texture of the scald itself changed. I was sure it would benefit the bread even when I was mixing in the seeds but not prepared quite how much. But what I least expected was the sweetness of the resulting loaf. Won't go back to doing this type of bread without a scald now. 

Thank you for the Community Bake, Paul. 

Based on this recipe but the scald (with the inclusion of the seeded scald) is a gamechanger. 

This bake has cemented Abe in my mind as the "Buckwheat King" ;-)

Interesting that the scald was such a high percentage.

Filing this one away for my next gluten free bake, thanks Abe, was impressed.

My aim with the scald was to make this bread less dry and crumbly which is so often the case when using buckwheat flour. 

But the bug percentage of scald made it extremely soft. Too soft. So if I was to repeat this again i'd use the same method but lessen the scald. Maybe 150g instead of 300g? 

First, a newborn daughter (congratulations to Mom and to you)!  I hope all are doing well.

Then, a (very) high hydration bread experiment that was also successful!  Did you buy any lottery tickets while you were at it? 

No quibbles from me about the high-extraction flour covering both the bread flour and whole wheat flour bases.  And rolled oats are very much within the framework of this CB.  On top of that, you have polenta and rosemary and honey, which all bring different but harmonious flavors to the party.  Oh, and sourdough, too!  It all sounds delicious.

Even allowing for some water evaporation while the polenta cooked, that had to have been a really gloppy dough.  I would probably have thrown more flour at it but you soldiered on.  Any warnings or suggestions for someone who might want to duplicate this?

Well done!

Paul

Thank you, Paul.

For the record, the 99% number factors in the evaporation during cooking. I calculated it using the weight of polenta going into the dough, not the amount of water I started with.

I was actually surprised at the dough's ability to hold some tension during stretch and folds, but it was far too wet for me to even think about baking freeform, or even rolling it up for the pan like I normally would. I basically just preshaped into a boule as well as I could and then covered it with oats and tucked opposite sides in to get it into the pan. My biggest suggestion would be not to try to repeat this, but to stir the oats into the hot polenta instead.

Kesra rakhsis is a yeasted Algerian flatbread that is cooked on a griddle (could be in a skillet).  For example:

http://thetealtadjine.blogspot.com/2018/03/algerian-flatbread-from-constantine.html

From the link: 

Kersa Rakhssiss is a soft on the inside and crispy on the outside. It's halfway between the Algerian unleavened flatbread called kesra and the leavened bread called matlouh.

People normally cut wedges or break off pieces.  It's normally made from semolina flour.  I've made it that way a few times before.  Today I adapted it to the Infinity Bake template (is nothing safe??)

First, the pictures, then the formula and the mistake I made.

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 Formula for 300g flour
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33.3% 100g AP flour
33.3% 100g WW (stone ground 93% extraction)
20% 60g buckwheat (Anson Mills)
13.3% 40g rye (Bob's Red Mill "dark")
1 tsp sugar
6g salt
15g nigella seeds
15g sesame seeds toasted
1/2 tsp instant dry yeast
1 oz oil
water/buttermilk (see below)

Spurred on by Abe's bake with scalded buckwheat I decided to make a scald with the non-white flours and arbitrarily chose to scald 50% of each of them.  That came to 100g non-white flour, and I needed 250g of water in the scald to hydrate the flour.  My mistake was that that was way too much water for the rest of the flour.  In addition, since I wanted to include some buttermilk, I went ahead and added 100g of it.  After all, I told myself, I didn't know how much of the water in the scald would act like free water in the dough.

So the dough came out way too wet.  I added about 50g of AP flour during mixing but though that helped, I didn't want to add much more.  I decided to deal with the dough with stretch-and-folds even though this was a yeasted bread that would be expected to proof for around an hour.  I mostly used wet hands during three S&F sessions over around an hour, and then proofed for another hour.  Then I patted out the ball of dough into a disk about 10 inches across.

This worked, but the large heavy disk of dough was still soft and had to be handled carefully so that it didn't deform much while it was transferred to the griddle.  I knew I would have to cook it at a lower temperature for a much longer time to drive out all that moisture.  So the cook time became 50 minutes instead of the perhaps 15 minutes these breads usually take.  Even so, and even with checking the interior temperature with a probe thermometer, the interior was still a little wetter than I would have liked.  Also, I didn't bother trying to brown the edges as some people do, since it would have taken a long additional time of me standing there holding the bread on edge with tongs.

With all this, there's a pretty decent crumb, and the taste is quite wonderful.  The nigella seeds really come through enough to add little pops of flavor that enhance the bite.  The flavor is grain-heavy, of course, but excellent for all that.

Thank you for sharing it with us.

Buckwheat flour is getting a lot of love in this CB.  It’s good to see it have some time in the spotlight.  I wonder what other “obscure” flours might pop up before the CB winds down. 

Nice touch to toast the sesame seeds.  That always ramps up the flavor. 

You obviously managed the bake very well to keep from scorching the exterior while driving off a lot of the extra moisture.  And the crumb looks good, too.

Paul