Hi all,
While we are bracing for hurricane Matthew, I was able to bake my first sourdough bread this morning! Woohoo!
After my first unsuccessful attempt (described in my post about starter - I updated it with the new info), here is my first sourdough bread.
While in process of nurturing it, I had a feeling I might have a few "rocks" on my way, and it happened, including baking itself. I'll describe a bit what I think happened and ask you guys for an advise.
i have to say, even though I have what to work on, but the taste of the bread was exactly how I like the sourdough, very flavorful, distinct sourdough taste, complex, yet, not sharp and not extra sour! As to taste - no complains. And my whole house had most appetizing aroma while I was baking it...yum! I also see an opened crumb, this goal is achieved.
now, on the down side:
1) texture - too chewy- I would love it to be more fluffy, light. It was soft but again too chewy...
2) the opened crumb was not very uniform (comparing with the pictures of the bread made by its author, and other examples of such bread), as well as my imagination lol
3) It did not rise well enough (even though the interior is not dense at all and the holes are not small either, very airy), or it was due too poor oven spring, - possibly because the steam did not work out well this time around, or for more than one reason, but I would like to understand why?
4) i did have hard time shaping the loaf, it seemed to be the bread did not hold shape very well, not as bad as the first time, but still - kind of not strong enough...so is this an undeveloped gluten? Is this weak starter (was not ready yet,or not enough starter - 92 g - 20% of the whole dough).
5) i think scoring was not deep enough, maybe it did not open the loaf enough to give a better spring, plus poor steam...
6) very thick bottom of the bread; thinner on the top, but I think it should be thinner and lighter, flakier so to speak.
ingredients and method:
I built levain (40g - 100% hydration WW starter, 40 g unbleached inbromated bread flour, 40g WW flour, 80 g water); after 5.5 hours it was very active;
bread recipe - 78.6% hydration
92g of the levain
359g bread flour;
55g WW flour
25g rye flour
335g water (90f)
9g salt
before mixing, I completed autolyse (1 hour) of all the flour and 300g water
after 1 hour I mixed levain and with the flour mixture and the 35g of water to help mixing it thoroughly by hand;
i let it sdsrt working for 30 min and then added salt and mixed it well again, by hand; I made the first set of stretch/fold (4 times: north, south east, west); I reported the sets 3 more times with 30 min intervals. And left it test for the leftover of the time (altogether, 5 hours of bulk fermentation).
afyer that, I pre-shaped it and cover it with a bowl for 10 min, and uncovered - 10 more minutes. And I noticed that even through the dough definetly rose and had a different sized bubbles, I was not sure if this was enough; I proceeded with shaping and had hard time shaping it - did nit hold shape well.
i placed it in the lined colander and left at room temperature to 20-30 min. And at last, 16 hours of retarding in the fridge.
beigee baking it, I scored it (evidently not as deep as I should have), and immediately placed in the preheated (500) degree oven. I baked it on a Cooke sheet and covered it with a deep roasted. And that this point - thebateam escaped and firther sprayimg water inside the oven did Not work out well.
i keep it under the toaster forte first 20 min with tempreture of 475 f and then uncovered for 30 min at 450f. I measured the temperature inside the bread and it was 211f and I took it out of the oven.
i cut it 3 hours after took out of the oven - it was definetly atvroom tempteture to touch.
so with all this info, please let me know your thoughts on what went wrong and what can I do to improve the flaws on this bread. Thank you very much!
I've been waiting for this bake. It's very late here in the UK so I'm going to keep this short and promise to write more. In one sentence... Your starter works but you have to get used to sourdough. I think it's just a timing issue and sourdough is totally different from yeasted breads in this aspect. The more you use your starter and bake with it the more you'll get the feel of it and how quickly it works. I think stick to a plain bread flour recipe and lower the hydration. Don't worry about high hydration for now. Go for an easy to handle dough and see what happens then. 65% hydration all bread flour dough with 20% mature starter. Knead till full gluten formation. Cover and wait till doubled. Shape and final proof till ready. Then bake in a preheated oven.
I'll elaborate more soon. For now keep feeding your starter and plan another bake when you're ready. Also don't forget that young starters are more unpredictable than well established ones. So keep on feeding it and using it.
Best of luck through this hurricane.
you are incredibly helpful! My problem is I always like to challenge myself ao I tried.
I actialky can't wait to bke my next loaf. hooefully beginning of next week...and I'll will lost again. Your advice is vary valuable to me, I am very greatful for your input!
and thank you, the hurricane is right by "our door" now, we might loose power. but hopefully, will be safe! Good night! Talk later!
Hi,
I'm sure that bread tastes amazing. I baked many loaves that ended up looking very similar to yours and I think the main problems are the flour and/or the oven. I actually ended up doing exactly what Lechem just mentioned: lower the hydration and increase the starter percentage. I had excellent results after that. It seems like the flour I'm using is not the best for high hydration doughs, even when it is in fact bread flour.
Here's a pic of my 65% loaf, it was much easier to score and handle as well:
Good luck!
let me sssrt with complementing your beautiful loaf of bread!
Also, you are 100% right about the flour...I had a feeling it could one of the major reason. I wascinminicating with the author of the recipe and he said the reason most likely is in the flour, its property of takin in the water. The bread flour inise is most likely not suitable not adequate for higher hydration dough.
and the oven too...i will work on the steaming methods to make sure it doesn't escape...
again thank yiu for your input, and agree with you!
need for steam in the oven. I would preheat to 500 F but bake under the lid at 46 F and then turn down to 425 once the lid comes off and bake it to 207 - 208 F. Since all the bg holes are right under the crust on the top I would say that this is pretty typical for a new baker shaping at 78.5% hydration. You will learn to degas as you preshape, donlt skip it, and get the shaping down better as you work with higher hydration dough as time gres on
I'm thinking it might have over proofed a bit during retard so not much spring was left for the oven. You can cut the bulk down to 4 hours and the retard down to 12 hours and see what happens. You want to get this 25% whole grain in the heat at 88% proof but no more to get a good spring and bloom.
For a first loaf is is spectacular! Well done and happy baking
thank you very much!
i absolutely agree, no need for steaming oven, but that roaster happened to have a slight gap between the cookie sheet and itself and I believe the steam escapes from under the roaster and I thought to save the situation by steaming the oven...but probably needless attempt lol
I will try to play with the temperature in the oven as well well as other stages of the process, it required practice and getting to know everything that is involved in action :-) and ofcourse - shaping - that kne definetly needs practice! Can't wait to do the next bake!
thank you very much for kind words!
sourdough loaf had looked like yours, i'd have been thrilled!
Great job!
You've got some great advice in the previous comments, i don't have much to add. Just keep baking and you'll soon achieve the results that you want.
Ru
This is so nice if you tonsay this, it's very encouraging!
in the mean time, I am making more research as well on the topics I felt went wrong. And advices I got here are very valuable! Thank you again! I'll be posting on how the next bake will go.
:-)