I am growing weary of my Kitchenaid Artisan stand mixer. As you may know it isn’t an ideal mixer for bread. I have a newer model which is said to have plastic gears and this model has the tilt head design. When kneading dough there is a lot of friction so the dough temperature climbs throughout kneading. The other issue is that using the spiral dough hook which is better than the C dough hook that comes with the mixer, it causes the mixer head to bounce up and down. In order to control this I have to press down with my upper body weight to keep the head stable and keep the mixer from walking off my countertop. All of this to say that it is a PITA.
I need a mixer that is still able to handle bread doughs of low to high hydration. The mixer also still needs to be able to deal with non bread mixing needs such as cake batter, cookie dough, meringues, whipped cream etc. It needs to fit my small kitchen and fit under the upper cabinets. I do not have a place to store it other than in the kitchen on the counter. It should look nice enough that my partner doesn’t hate it.
I know that the Ankarsrum reviews quite well and certainly fits my needs I believe. I’d love to know what you guys think about this choice and whether you think I’d be happy with it based on my needs. Do you have other suggestions that would also suit?
Much appreciated.
Benny
Benny,
I would say that the Ankarsrum sounds like it should fit your needs pretty well. My wife purchased one for me earlier this year, and I have loved it thus far. As with any tool, there is a learning curve. I'm benefitted by the fact that I was hand mixing all my dough prior to this mixer, so I didn't have to "unlearn" anything.
While my wife still prefers to use her Kitchen Aid (it's what she's always had), she has been able to use the Ankarsrum for cakes and cookies.
There could likely be others on here who would say a spiral mixer is the best tool for the job - and with bread dough I don't doubt they are right. However, I couldn't justify a unitasker of that financial (and counter space) magnitude since I don't bake professionally (at least not yet). I also wanted to be able to use if for things other than bread dough. For bread, though, I've had pretty good success with hydrations ranging from 60-82% thus far.
As with anything, it's not perfect. I would say the biggest drawback is that you need to use the smaller plastic bowl to use the whisk attachments. I'm also not sure if the bread hook is effective, as I've only used the roller and scraper to date. I keep most of the other attachments in the original box.
Lastly, while it has nothing at all to do with performance, I do like the look of the Ankarsrum. I also know I am not alone in that. I posted a picture of some bread dough I made over the weekend on social media, and my cousin messaged me saying that she thought my mixer looked "sexy." I told her I thought there was a country song some time ago about someone's tractor being sexy, but to each their own. Hahaha.
Here's a shot of a pizza dough I made for a party this summer. In total, it was 3700 grams, naturally leavened, with 68% hydration.
- Steve
That is very helpful Steve, and I love the orange colour of your Ankarsrum that is what I would choose as well.
The one negative you mention isn't a deal breaker for me. Given how infrequently I would make cakes or cookies that might need the whisk attachment, it isn't a big deal to have to use the plastic bowl for that.
Thanks for taking the time to reply.
Benny
Ankarsrum is a perfect mixer, Benny. However, it is not designed to handle low hydration bread dough, for example, Montreal bagels dough which is really stiff and dry. For that I use food processor or just work it by hand using a rolling pin. However, it makes great pasta dough and pasta with its pasta attachment.
Otherwise, Ankarsrum will make you happy, I am sure. I am not using mine any more, it is too heavy bulky for me to take it out, to wash, to store it, but I have nothing bad to say about its performance as a mixer, or its looks. When I switched from KA to Ank I was in heaven and stayed there for years. I don't just love it, I am grateful that such a beautiful and reliable kitchen helper exists. I use it a lot to prepare meat pates and meat loaves as well. It mixes and whips ground meat preparations like God. Amazing.
For anyone who bakes more than one loaf of bread, wheat or rye, gluten or gluten free, it would be my mixer of choice.
Thanks for the feedback Mariana, it is much appreciated. I haven’t tried making bagels yet, but I’ll try to remember you said about really low hydration doughs and the Ank if I end up getting it. Interesting that you also use it for meat preparations, very nice, that hasn’t been in my radar yet.
Benny
I have the Ank for about a year now. Never had an issue or heard anybody else who had one with low hydration doughs. You can use the metal dough hook for the low hydration doughs with no issues. It does take a little getting used to as you need to add most of the water first and then add your dry ingredients but once you get the hang of it you will love it. I have the midnight blue color which I love 😀. Feel free to PM me if you have any other questions. I also have the Bosch Universal which is also an excellent choice but it’s not a piece of artwork like the Ank.
Thank you for your post Ian, it is much appreciated and helpful. Good to know that low hydration doughs can be developed with the Ank since someday I’m sure I’ll get around to baking bagels. I’m partial to the orange Ank myself and that would nicely replace the orange KA mixer we now have.
How is the Ank for bassinage?
Benny
That’s what I usually do. I always like to add some of the liquid after a Hal hour or so autolyse and it incorporates without any issues.
Perfect thank you Ian.
If only they made a Ferrari red Italian double arm mixer for the home!
I haven’t even heard of this, or are you pulling my leg, Ferrari makes a mixer Jon?
Benny
Well, you do get "beautiful" Italian mixers. And some of them are in a red colour that I'd call "Ferrari red".
Unfortunately, the ones I'd be interested in would be the double arm variety and they're decidedly large. With a kind of postmodern industrial look about them! But a guy has to dream.
If that's close enough to Ferrari red for you. Seem a bit pricey though.
…several months back when I kneaded some Pan Gallego (basically a 100%+ hydration ciabatta) dough for over 30 minutes. Pretty sure I overheated the speed control board which I’m still trying to replace. I ordered the Ank, the next day after hand kneading (groan) a 2.5 kg batch of ciabatta that was already in flight when I killed the KitchenAid.
Anyway, I’m super happy with the Ank. I mostly use the dough hook for breads, though I have also used the roller with fine results. I like the way the dough hook allows me to observe the gluten as it develops. I find I have to do a a bit of dough herding with a silicon spatula early on when incorporating levain and poolish into liquid dough components, but it beats the manual bowl scraping I used to do with the KA. With the Ank I don’t think I’ve ever found hidden piles of dry flour which was why I was always scraping the KA bowl.
I also use the plastic bowl and whisk attachments for things like cheesecake, madeleines and wetter batters. My wife, who is a cookie ninja, really likes the mixer functions.
So the Ank requires a bit of mental retooling, but I think you’d find it a great addition to your batterie de cuisine.
Best always,
Phil
Thanks for sharing your experiences which sound very positive Phil. It sounds like you and your wife get good results with it for a variety of baking needs which sound similar to what I need a mixer for.
Benny
to Mr. Mixer. That’s all he does is repair/ refurbish KA mixers of all vintages. Mine is like new after I caught a spatula in the dough hook . He has a stellar reputation and fast turn around as well as excellent warranty.
https://www.mrmixer.store/
I have the pro 600 6 qt lift stand and have used it for many years. I love it and have no trouble with stiff bagel dough or any other types of bread doughs. I never get dry pockets of flour because if one puts the liquid in first and add the flour as the mixer is running slowly it blends faultlessly. I have posted pictures of the perfectly clean bowl while the dough hook kneads.
I hope you will send in your KA and get it fully rehabbed. c
MrMixer hoping he had a replacement speed control board…still waiting to hear. Thanks.
FYI they started to sell a metal bowl for the whisks. They still don’t offer metal gears for some inexplicable reason.
KitchenAid artisan stand mixers are really bread unfriendly. They are under powered and not all that stable. I gave mine away to a neighbor about 8 years ago and bought a Pro 610 when they were on sale. I've not had any issues with it at all and do a lot of baking from bread to cakes to pastry and cookies. The engine is robust and it's heavy enough so there is no vibration when it's mixing. In short\, it never complains.
Yes I was looking at this mixer and I like the look of it. I understand that the gears in this one are metal so it won’t have the issues my artisan mixer has. However, the one limiting issue is the height, it is just a bit too tall to fit under my upper cabinets. 🙁. Thanks for the suggestion though Alan.
Benny
Benny, Ank all the way. I have owned a number of mixers, including the KA, and a few by Bosch, and the Ank is really very well engineered, in fact, it will probably out live you. It does bread and can also work as a general purpose mixer. Just to see if it could do it, I tried making whipped cream in the regular steel bowl with the roller and scraper, and it worked.
I think it is hard one to beat. In fairness, I now have a spiral ( the Famag with the tilting head ) and it has a few advantages over the Ank for bread, but overall , the Ank is great, and I don't regret buying it.
Thank you for chiming in Barry. Dan also has both the Famag and the Ank and he prefers the Famag as you do for bread. The Famag might be better but it isn’t practical in our smallish kitchen, I understand it is quite large. It is really sounding like the Ank is the way to go for my needs.
Benny
I'll offer my 2-cents on my choice of mixer' It may not right for you, but it might be for others that happen to view this thread.
I have never used any KA model and only recently bought a small mixer, so I have no comparison. I had always mixed and kneaded by hand.
When my mixing shoulder started to give me problems last year, I decided it was time to get a mixer. I thought about a smaller KA, but even that seemed too heavy to lift to put away. I looked into the Bosch Compact and found it only weighed ≈5 kg; I could lift that with one arm, no problem.
So, I purchased one and have been pretty satisfied. It handles 1-kg WW doughs with no issues. With high% rye doughs, the dough hook can do some smearing to the bowl sides; I wish it had a flat paddle sometimes. It is a tilt head and the head will bob up and down a bit, but it hasn't tried to walk off the counter. I used it for a cookie dough, but have not yet used it for whipping cream or egg whites, or mixing a cake batter. It fits easily in a cabinet for storage.
It is a simple but powerful little mixer!
I have read really good things about the Bosch and I’m seriously considering it except for one major issue which has nothing with its ability to mix dough. Instead I showed a photo of it to my partner and he isn’t enamored with how it looks. Since this will be sitting in a rather prominent spot in our kitchen (we have no extra storage to put it in a cabinet or closet) he ruled the Bosch out.
However, from what I’ve read, it would probably have been an excellent mixer for me. Thank you for your thoughts Jeff.
Benny
Is kneading by hand out of the question? Keep the KA and knead bread by hand. I do 900g flour weight loaves this way and enjoy it.
I still knead by hand, especially for certain types of breads such as baguettes or hearth loaves. But for other types that are a fine less open crumb like milk breads and brioche I prefer to mix by machine although I have done these types by hand as well.
I am happy with it overall. It is light weight and powerful with the dough hook as well as versatile with the cookie paddles and wire whisk. Mine is white plastic but the newer versions have colors and a stainless steel bowl. Not sure if this is the model you have ruled out for appearance sake. It seems to me it is low friction with dough temps topping out around 80F but works best with interval kneading. The dough develops in half the time of a KA. It really does a great job of incorporating additional water(bassinage) which I hear the Ank does not but that is hearsay because I have never used one. All mixers have a learning curve so keep that in mind with whatever you chose.
Don
Thanks for your input Don. I wasn’t aware of the Bosch Universal and will have to look at that as well. In particular I’d never seen a Bosch with a stainless steel bowl and didn’t know they existed. Low friction is one feature that would be useful.
Benny
Not sure where to buy it in Canada but the Pleasant Hill Grain website has a good selection and reviews of all the better mixers and attachments.
Hi Benny. I don’t want to dissuade you from replacing your KA as it sounds like you really want something else but your kneading will be a lot more satisfying if you lock the kA Artisan head when you knead. That will eliminate the bounce and upper body exercise to control that bounce.
Hi Brian, I do lock the head and have done all the adjustments to it that I can to ensure that it is set properly. Despite that when mixing stiffer doughs, there is a lot of movement of the machine.
Benny, there is nothing that can be done with an Artisan that will make it knead dough like an Ank, imo.
Yes Barry, I am getting that sense. Thank you
Benny
I've had one since 2014, maybe longer. I too have a small kitchen and low overhead space. Mine is used almost exclusively for bread and I find it versatile enough for doughs such as the enriched and fine-crumbed products you cited above, but also for doughs that I have historically hand-mixed. Sometimes the arthritis in my hands simply won't allow me to hand mix a dough, and I find that the Ankarsrum emulates hand mixing very well, without oxidation concerns.
I never had any more of a problem doing a bassinage with this mixer than with any other one, but things can get pretty slippery if you add too much water all at once. Just add the water in very small increments and do it slowly so the dough doesn't lose all its grip. If the dough gets too slippery, just give it a few seconds or a minute to catch up.
There's a lot to love about the Ankarsrum, but the whisk set is its Achilles heel for sure. When my machine was still new, some of the teeth were shorn off the plastic cogs by a batter that could only be described as resinous (long story, haha!). I purchased a replacement set (not inexpensive) and have been more careful since then about what I put in it. Never had another problem with it, but I don't give it much of a work out either.
The bottom-heavy Ank is not prone to wandering, but it can happen if its little rubber shoes (or the counter) are floury. Don't put the bowl lid in the dishwasher or let it get too close to anything hot. It melts surprisingly easily. Outside of that, cleaning the Ankarsrum is almost too easy. Finally, it will look sleek and handsome on your counter. Visitors never fail to ask about mine and proclaim their love for it. Hope this helps. Good luck and enjoy whatever you decide on.
Thanks for the detailed response with your experiences. It sounds like you like your Ank and use it much like I would use it as well. I’d use it mostly for bread and occasionally for other baking. The information about the plastic lid and the plastic cogs in the whisk set is good to know. I’m also happy to hear that people find it good looking since that is one of our criteria as well.
Benny
Thank you everyone who gave me their opinions and experiences. Based on this I have placed an order for the Ankarsrum mixer, orange. Once I receive it I will put my KA mixer up for sale on Kijiji.
Benny