Dough hook for KitchenAid artisan mini 3.5qt?

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Hello fellow bakers! Does anyone also own a KitchenAid Artisan Mini 3.5qt version? I think it goes by the model KSM3316.

Mine came with the c-shaped dough, and it doesn't seem to knead the same way as I've seen mixers with spiral dough hooks do. Does anyone know how this affects gluten development and if there are any ways to improve? Also if anyone knows any after-market components that can be a substitute, that would be great as well!

Thanks!

I bought the mini for the smaller jobs that my big 6qt one seemed too large for. The big one has also has a C hook, which I think works fine. I have used the big one for 15 years and have no trouble kneading dough. I tried kneading dough in the mini a few times, using recipes that have about 3 cups/ 360 grams (or less), and it was a struggle. The motor should be big enough for the job (it’s the same as the K45), but the bowl and hook are both just too small, I think. That’s just my experience. So the mini is now delegated to smallish cake batters, whipping cream, egg whites, small batch cookie dough, etc. As to how the C hook differs from a spiral  in how it affects the gluten development, I can’t answer to that because I don’t have a spiral hook. But I have no problems making great bread with the C hook in the 6qt. 

*Edit to add that I decided to order an after-market spiral hook for my pro— because everyone says they are better. You don’t know what you don’t know! I looked for one for mini and didn’t find anything either. 

Hey Kstbn, thanks for the reply! I definitely found that my Artisan Mini had some struggles when it came to larger batches of stiffer dough, and I got a bit scared once when I started to smell heated motor parts/plastic... The C-hook for me has always been a little unwieldy since it's also kinda hard to get the dough off since it tends to just climb up the thing!

I found this unacceptable for bread kneading.  The motor is under powered and struggled to knead without getting very hot.  I gave it away to a neighbor and bought a Pro 600 model which works wonderfully.  I had the Artisan for a number of years and it was fine for cakes and cookies.

Thanks for the reference, AlanG! I was making a small batch of baguette dough today and it seemed to get pretty hot when I turned it up to get the gluten going. Will definitely look into the Pro series when I get the budget/space to upgrade!

Any mixer will have a range of dough weights that can be mixed but the hydration, speed, and dough weight all have to be "in the zone" so to speak for it to work and the zone is small for small mixers. The small planetary mixers are actually better than the larger ones in terms of getting rid of the heat, though the motors are nororiously inefficient at low speed and the fan runs at motor shaft speed it too is much less efficient at movng cooling air as the speed goes down. So the combination of low electrical efficiency and low fan efficiency make low speeds a place to avoid.  I don't know if it is still true but Kitchenaid used to caution not to run any of their mixers for more than 5 minutes at speed 2 (I always thought it was for exactly that reason).  I found that my K4A would work much better at speed 4  - until I finally got a Magic Mill/Electrolux/Ankarsrum/Assistent and left the KA for egg whites and small batch cakes and cookies.  At one point there was an aftermarket spiral dough hook for the K4A but I don't know about the Artisan.  You might try Ebay, sometimes things show up over there that are not otherwise available.

Really appreciate the notes here, Doc! I've been following your various posts here for a while now and have been trying to replicate some of your recipes, most notably this one just earlier today! https://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/66158/open-crumb-baguettes

I've been trying to find an after-market spiral dough hook for my Artisan Mini since it seemed a bit excessive to get a larger and more expensive mixer just to be able to fit a spiral dough hook to my dough, but my hunt for the spiral has yielded no results so far! The C-hook that came with the mixer seems to do the job ok, but it takes quite a while to mix the dough until it gets the smooth and elastic consistency that bakery videos seem to show. In the process of getting there, I was definitely a bit worried that my mixer would give out after running it at Speed 8 (~225 RPM) for 7 minutes. I'll keep an eye out on Ebay to see what shows up - would love to be able to run experiments on the C-hook vs spiral just to see how the same dough comes out. Thanks again, Doc!

I had significant issues when I first started making high hydration doughs with my K4A and never managed to get the C-hook to work for me.  I eventually went back to using the paddle and cranking the speed up to 4 but only when I was mixing dough at 75% hydration or higher.  Mixing at high speed is definitely a learning experience and you have to be prepared to hold on to the mixer as it will tend to walk on the counter if you don't.

I am personally not a big fan of the Pro600 line ( yes I had one but I ordered a rebuilt model and returned it twice - first because it was dropping metal shavings off the drive bushing into the dough, and the second one had clearly never been touched by a competent mechanic as it went to speed 10 as soon as I turned it on and never slowed down). The third one I kept but resented the amount of noise it made until I sold it.  Whenever I used it I had to wear my shooting ear protectors and my wife would leave the kitchen until I was done. So it got used once a year to make Liege waffles for the grandkids and only because I didn't have a good alternative (for the mixer not the kids).

A friend got the newer KA model that has a DC drive I think it is the Pro 6000 (probably a BLDC configuration)  and she loves it as it runs cool and quiet as well, so if you are going to upgrade go all in.  My replacement for the Pro600 was an Ankarsrum Assistent (which has had a long series of name changes) and which I used for 10 years before upgrading to a Famag IM-5 about two years ago.  It is a major re-learning experience every time you change mixers as your old process sheets are suddenly worthless.  I suspect that is true at a commercial bakery as well.

Thanks for the suggestion, Doc, will try the paddle for my next batch! Also thanks for the suggestion on the Pro 6000, I'll look into those when I'm ready for the upgrade. Who knows, the paddle just might do exactly what I need it to, and I might be able to use my Artisan Mini until it gives out!