Appreciating that it is to some extent a matter of (personal) taste, has anyone first hand experience of the Challenger Bread Pan, please?
I have read several reviews like this one, which suggest it's worth the extra money.
Is the Challenger all it claims to be and the one to get for sourdough especially?
Thanks in advance for your guidance and advice!
I have had one for 3 months now. I like it a lot. It does give a better crust imho than the Dutch oven. It retains heat well being that it weighs 22lbs. I have found using parchment paper will keep the bottom of the bread from getting to dark. The price was an issue a first, but when you think about a good enameled cloche cost $120 and they can break. Cast iron is a good choice. The biggest draw back for me is I can only bake one loaf at a time.
hope that helps.
@Keyhole, much appreciated. I would have thought the paper on the bottom (or the loaf) was unnecessary. So now I shall be ready to try that too!
Thanks :-)
Thanks, @idaveindy - Yes, I looked there first. But all comments much appreciated :-)
IMO it’s not worth it at all. You can get other Dutch ovens that are multi purpose (le cruset, staub, etc.) and are the same price or cheaper if you want to make more standard shaped loaves. It’s all relative though if you’ve got $250 to burn.
Thanks, @barlowpark - I hear you!
I have and use several old creuset pots I've used over the years. Then I bought one one of these Lodge combo cookers last year. I think it's better than the pots. It's hard to beat and can't imagine the challenger pan will make much difference on a side by side comparison. I could be wrong.. I got it on sale for about 50$. In the picture they show a baked loaf in the deep side of the pan - but you actually place the dough on the pre-heated shallow side when baking.
https://www.wired.com/story/rave-lodge-3-quart-cast-iron-combo-cooker/
… so thanks, @Bread1965. Your advice appreciated.
I have heard some people complain that their loaves come out a bit flat in the Challenger. They claim that they need the support from the sides of of a baker. My answer is that their loaves may be lacking the strength to begin with. Many of the best bakers I see use just a stone or a steel with a roasting pan lid, and they introduce steam via wet rags, stones, etc... They don't have any support either, and their loaves are not coming out flat. In conclusion what I can say is that if loaves are coming out flat in this baker, there is a strength, or shaping issue. I highly recommend it and it was money well spent if you are a serious sourdough fan.
I can now agree with everything you say from first hand experience :-)
Thanks so much for your long and helpful post!
I bought a Challenger pan not long after posting my request here.
Very glad I did.
I have so far used it twice - and the tastes it helped me to achieve were amongst the best I have ever managed to bake.
At the moment, though, I am experimenting with two of the variables you mention:
and those considerations are without my having preheated the pan for an hour! That ought to make them even more applicable.
I was always nervous about doing that with my Lodge Dutch Ovens - especially when enameled… used to half fill with water, but even then it boiled!
So my plan is to preheat for an hour, maybe decrease the temperature by 25°, shorten the second phase of baking by up to 10 minutes, use parchment paper and semolina flour (as suggested by the good people who have been of so much help to me here) as an insulator against possible over-browning on the bottom.
And… continue to experiment.
Thanks again, Maria - I agree your loaves look spectacular. Good luck!