This weekend I decided to start my journey into rye breads with Hamelman's 40% Caraway rye but I chickened out of the 40% reducing it to 30% for this first try(double anything I have made before).
Last night I mixed the rye levain and left overnight on bench.
300g rye meal flour
100g Hi grade (11.5% protein so not quite Hamelman's Hi gluten flour)
332 g water
20 gm starter.
This morning I added 600 g Hi grade flour
348g water
17.5 g caraway seed
18 g salt and 4.2g instant yeast.
I don't use my Kenwood Chef mixer anymore, just making everything by hand, so wondered how this would turn out. I did a couple of gentle slap & folds followed by quote a few stretch and folds. I kept hands wet and was happy with dough so left it to bulk ferment about 75 minutes as room temperature was cooler than he suggested. I got some rise but not a huge amount, perhaps 30% at most. Hamelman does not say how much to bulk ferment, just 60 minutes for doughs upto 50% rye. Here it is before dividing and shaping.
Starting point was between the 2 top marks. Here is a photo of 2 of the shaped loaves before proofing
I proofed loaves the time Hamelman suggested. No idea if proofed enough although finger poke indicated it was ok. (photo below) I made 2 x 500 and 1 x approx 740 gram batards. I wanted to check baking options again, so one 500 g loaf was baked in my usual DO and the other in an oval stainless steel lidded caserole dish - both preheated with the oven for just over an hour .
I baked the loaves at 240°C for 15 minutes then removed lids and dropped temperature a little and baked for another 18 minutes. After 5 minutes, the loaf in stainless dish was not browning much so I removed it and the parchment and finished the bake on oven rack just above my stones. At the 18 minute mark, I removed the right hand loaf from the Do , checked internal temperature as as it was 209°F kept it out of the oven. The other loaf needed about another 3-4 minutes to reach this temperature and to get a good colour.
Reheated the oven and DO and baked the larger batard in a similar manner.
This is the crumb shots of both the 500 g batards, the left hand loaf is the one from the stainless "DO" and despite the identical treatment up until baking, the finished loaf is different. There doesn't seem to be as much ovenspring (altho side by side they have similar height) when you look at the crumb and crust on bottom is thinner.
Here is the crumb of larger batard.
Overall an interesting bake.
Don't quite understand the differences in the crumb.
The flavour is nice, I have never been a fan of caraway seed in a cake so I wondered how I would find it in bread. I possibly should have reduced the caraway a little because I used less rye? and excuse the funny question, but do you ever use ground caraway or is it normal in rye breads to use it as I have, ie as a seed?
Will definitely make this again though.
Leslie
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My mouth is watering! I just want to make sandwiches with it. I am not familiar with a strong taste of caraway in rye breads that I have eaten.
lunch today will be yummy indeed!
Leslie
While caraway seeds aren't used in all bread baking traditions, there are plenty of bakers and their families that enjoy the flavor. The biggest problem is over use. I've used a similar quantity in my breads and they've been just fine. I'd guess that your breads were met with approval as well.
- interesting as I haven't used it before and hubby is not always keen on additives such as herbs and spices. nothing ventured, nothing gained so they say :)
Leslie
My favorite deli rye is 40% rye with no yeast in the mix. Rye needs acid and the yeast just speeds things up and takes away from the flavor. But, like all things bread, it is a personal thing. Well done and happy rye baking
I also like caraway and re-hydrated dried minced onions in there too:-)
your breads are always fabulous. I was surprised by the yeast in the recipe but as this was a first try thought I should follow recipe more or less. Next time will try no yeast and the full 40% rye. I do make mostly straight sourdough breads - just love that bread can be leavened this way:)
now I am off to help do the ground pick (with hubby) of our avocados, the picking team with hydraladders are due any time now.....
Leslie
Great bake!
Your loaves both look fabulous.
I'm not familiar with caraway so i can't really comment on that. But i do love rye. Like Dab, i really like 40% rye with dried minced onion. Yum. The recipe i used is supposed to have caraway but i just skipped it.
Well done again :)
Happy baking.
of flavour, it was great. I will have to try adding the onion - New York deli rye seems to have onion, so maybe some experiments to be done.......
thanks Ru
Leslie
Those loaves are a success for sure! Personally I am not fond of caraway and probably would skip it. I did make a loaf out of tartine 3 that included a bunch of seeds, one of which was caraway and I found it overtook the flavour profile. Are these very strong in caraway?
I could taste it for sure but with salami or prosciutto I found it really nice. I am surprised as I felt like you and very very nearly left it out. I think with more rye it would be even less obvious. I think you wouldn't want to increase the amount though because then it would dominate. :)
Leslie