Bialy’s the Lucy Way

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Lucy isn’t known to be a died in the wool bread traditionalist and I am anything, and everything, a bit strange in an odd and slightly weird way since being born 2nd to my twin and losing the first race I ever ran.  Being a born loser can wear on you over time, if you let it, so you might tend to compensate by being a rebel and not give much, if any, respect to the establishment, rules and the status quo.

Rules themselves are not totally bad since they can give some structure to whatever is at hand.  No matter how many rules there are, they cannot predict the outcome or success of what you are trying to do any more than the rules of chess can predict what moves, will be made when and who will win the game.  The processes and outcomes are virtually, infinite…. regardless of how many rules are observed.

This is the nature of our entire world and the universe for that matter.  There are rules for everything but these rules aren’t worth a hoot at predicting what will happen since just about anything and everything is possible...... and does happen.

One thing we do know is that, the more rules there are, the more difficult and less fun whatever you are doing becomes and the less freedom you have to do it....... the way you want to do it.  That is the way Lucy and I look at everything we do.  It may not be for everyone but it pays to realize that rules don’t predict anything worth knowing or doing.

This is the way Lucy and I look at bread making.  We know there are rules established over time by tradition and experience but know that they won’t help us very much to make a success out of the bread we want to make but, they can provide us a framework to work from to create what we do want in bread. 

So knowing the rules is good place to start, especially if you are a rebel and don’t expect to follow them exactly in the first place.   So what are the bialy rules?  Well first off, they aren’t bagels even if they look a bit like them and were brought to this country by polish Jews – just like bagels.  They aren’t made from high gluten flour like bagels.  They aren’t very low hydration like bagels either.  They are made from white flour and they are filled with onions, garlic or poppy seeds or a mix and they might have salt and or sesame seeds sprinkled on top too.

This person says her great, great, great grand pappy might have inveted bialy's and made bialy’s in Bialystok Poland - here is a link to her family story.  We know not to believe half of what we see, 3/4th of what we read and none of what we hear.  But, people mean well and some stuff just sounds like it might be true - even if handed down by word of mouth and not written down.   This story sounds like it has some truth in it - https://whatscookingamerica.net/Bread/Bialy.htm

These general rules are a good place to start with bialy’s but they aren’t the kind we want to eat around these desert parts.  We did some bialy baking 4 years ago here - http://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/29551/herbed-bialys-%E2%80%93-multigrain-caramelized-onion-chorizo-and-4-cheeses and liked them very much.  It shows what is possible when the outcome isn’t predicted by the rules.

So we continue down our bialy baking path in much the same way today.  Using the rules to start out and then letting loose with whatever suits our fancy.  Lucy likes to say that the baker and the bread go their own way.  We like that thought.  So this was the way we went with this week’s bialy bake.  We went with Lucy’s rule for white bread which is - anything less than 50% whole grain is a white bread.  This one was 25% sprouted, 8 whole grains.  The sprouted grains, were red and white wheat, rye, spelt, oat, emmer, barley and buckwheat.

We love smoked chicken and ribs.

The 100% hydration 2 stage, 18 hour, bran levain was made with 10 g of NMNF long retarded rye starter, 10% pre-fermented flour which included all of the bran sifted from the sprouted 8 grain for the first stage and some of the high extraction sprouted 8 grain for the 2nd stage. The remaining 75% of the flour was Winco bread flour from the bins.  The overall hydration was 68% making the dough easy to handle, not sticky and lovely to form the little pizzas.

Hath Greed Chili and Poblano smoked chicken noodle soup.

The filling was made up of Manchego cheese, green and white onion, garlic chives, a very nice Hatch green chili, uncured absinthe salami that was also flavored with paprika, red chili and garlic.  We found the salami at the Central Market in Houston while visiting there a couple of weeks ago.

Peach and Parmesan salad is a favorite too.

But that wasn’t enough heat for our sedate and reserved Lucy.  She added some extra fresh Hatch and Poblano green chili just like great, great, great granny used to make in the old days:-)  The filling mix was sautéed to knock off the raw taste and soften the ingredients.  We did our usual 1 hour autolyse with the 2% Pink Himalayan sea salt sprinkled on top.  Once the levain hit the mix, we did 30 slap and folds to get everything mixed in.  This was followed by 2 more sets of 8 slap and folds to get the gluten moving along.  We then did 3 sets of 4 stretch and folds to finish it up – all on 20 minute intervals.

We then let the dough ferment for 1 hour before dividing the dough into (8) 101 g balls.  After resting another, 20 minutes we shaped the bialy’s mid-air like we would a pizza pie, stretching the middle thin, like checking for a windowpane, and placed them on parchment on a cookie sheet.   Then we docked the middle depression with a fork to keep it from rising so we would have a place to put the filling in 90 minutes or so

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Once the little pizzas had proofed well enough we loaded them up with the cheese, onion, herb, fresh chili and absinthe salami filling.  Lucy thought that they sure looked cute enough to bake boldly – so we did – at 450 F with Mega Steam, between the top and bottom stones, right on the cookie sheet – No Muss, No Fuss  Once they were puffed up properly, about 10 minutes, we removed the steam and continued to bake the little cuties at 425 F convection for another 10 minutes - until they were brown enough to be called bold.   Then off to the cooling rack they went.  We suspect these will be pretty yummy since they smelled great baking.

How about another salad?

Crusty on the outside, soft and moist on the inside with a killer filling of cheese, onion, peppers and salami.  Just plain delicious and healthy with those sprouted 11 whole grains.  What is not to like?

Formula

10% pre-fermented, 100% hydration sprouted 8 grain 2 stage, 18 hour levain

25% 8 sprouted grain

75% Winco bread flour

68% overall hydration

2% salt.

Filling – Hatch and Poblano chilis, green and white onion, garlic chives and killer absinthe, green chili hard salami.

 

How does the inside texture compare to a bagel? I haven't ever had a bialys. 

boiled like bagels and not as chewy.  They are not as dense as bagels since the hydration isn't 53% hydration but they aren't as open as a 78% hydration multi-grain bread.  They aren't as sour as our bagels since they are not retarded for 18 hours.  But they are just terrific anyway and that filling is pretty killer too.  We like them better than bagels, toasted with cream cheese but don't tell anyone.  You would like them for sure.

Happy bialy baking Danni

Toast

These look super and I'm sure they'll disappear in no time! I like making smaller loaves, rolls or individual sizes when it's hot outside - less oven time and quicker cooling, too.

Cathy

apprentices.  Nice to bake in potion control....if you could only eat just one:-)  Have to make this short  since my wife is on the way home and we are making smoked chicken quesadillas, with grilled onions and peppers and black re-fried bean.  

Happy baking  Cathy   

Before this i'd never even heard of a Bialy. Yours look delicious!

Seems like you can make any recipe healthy, i really like that about your bakes Dab. 

Happy baking Ru

health is bad and getting worse as you get older, inventing healthy food becomes a necessity:-)  We don't see bialy's as much as we should - maybe bagels just shut them out of the market over time.  They are delicious enough to make their way back though.  Toasted with cream cheese was breakfast this morning - no need for lox.

Glad you liked the post  Ru007 - it is fun to discover something new bake   Happy baking ! 

Toast

"Pletzels" or very similar to pletzels at least. 

Our local Jewish bakery use to make these when I was a kid. A staple for Sunday brunch. 

What a lovely bake and presentation. Enjoyable write up too. 

your post I've been researching - another Bialystok creation and  Yom Kippur Eve traditional treatfor some Jews before fasting or breaking the fast!

 http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/food/views/parisian-pletzel-14604

http://www.bonappetit.com/recipes/holidays-recipes/slideshow/pletzels-the-yom-kippur-break-fast-food-youve-never-heard-of

Bialystoker tsibele (onion) pletzel, also called onion zemmel, onion pampalik, or onion board, is very similar to an Italian focaccia. Try this flat bread sprinkled with rosemary, and you will see how very close it is.

Thanks for the Pletzel Push - Very cool indeed and you know that Lucy will have her way with this one and surprise the girls in the family on Yom Kippur Eve!  We love new stuff to mess with.....

I did go back and fix some of the the spelling and grammar in the post, as I always seem to do several times,  but I'm glad you liked the post.  Bialy's need to be revived from the past - just like pletzels do!  I especilly liked the idea of the kids making the pletzel sandwich ahead if time so that it could them be baked again the next day  to break the YK fast.

I'm afraid history and traditions will be lost over time..... without folks keeping them from fading away

Happy baking 

Here is another good one

http://lostpastremembered.blogspot.com/2010/10/bialy-and-pletzel.html

I've been meaning to make bialys one day for a long, long time now. I think maybe you just inspired me to make that day come sooner! You often inspire me, actually. :)

Looks delicious! What I like about your posts and so many others here is what to actually DO with bread. Me? I just use it to mop up my plate so nothing's left behind. Pitiful, ain't it?

I've made some meat pies, turnovers, and other crust-type things. I should search for "flakey" (gads, not "crust!") to see to see if a sourdough pie crust is possible...

Murph

the gruel was piled on and it was used to sop up stuff that fell off at the end.  Where it fell off to is another story.    Sopping up stuff is still one of the best and most used ways to apply bread to food.  In the Middle Eat where they eat meals with their fingers, torn off pieces of pita are used to pinch off pieces of savory fare so their fingers don't get as messy as they would otherwise.  So count yourself as one of the masses who like to use bread to sop up stuff.  As a kid we used to tear up pieces of bread and then pile on hamburger or sausage gravy over the top as the whole meal for breakfast, lunch and dinner!  Odd how fond memories come back to you as you get older.  Most of the bread around here gets used for sandwiches it seems.  But nit bialy;s.  Just sliced in half, toasted with a schmear of cream cheese.

Glad you liked the post Murph - its time to make something with that YW you have bubbling away and time for me to dig mine out if the back if the fridge - happy baking 

Lucy has outdone herself this time.  I love the combination of flavors in your filling.  I wish you were closer so I could sample this one.

I make a pretty good chicken soup but yours sounds pretty amazing.  I love anything smoked like you so I can only imagine how this one must burst with flavor.

Max and Lexi are still recovering from their pack walk with the Long Island Dog Association in the Pine Barrens.  Unfortunately it was a bit too hot for Lexi and we had turn around after around 40 minutes.  Her black fur coat makes her overheat too quickly.

I'm mixing up some dough this evening.  Wish I had seen your post earlier because now I want some bialys as well :) but I have the wrong starters.

Happy Baking from your East Coast buddies!

where bialy's never went out of favor and didn't have to discover them at 60 years old!  We do like to mess with the fillings and that absinthe, green chili, uncured sausage we found in Texas was perfect to do the messing with:-) Central Market is one nice place to shop for all things food.  They had whole, smoked ,white fish in the deli case - in Houston!  It was like dying and going to the place better than heaven.

Glad you liked the post Ian and sad to here Lexi had trouble in the heat.  We all have trouble in the heat here!Good luck with today's bake and Lucy sends her best to the furry ones sweltering in heat - it was actually only 99 F here yesterday but only a one day thing and back in the 100's today

Happy baking Ian

Having grown up in Brooklyn, I've eaten bialys all my life, and usually fresh from a bagel bakery. When I moved south 25 years ago I was forced to bake the types of bread and pastries that I missed from the old Jewish bakeries. Ultimately I baked & sold bialys at my bakery/cafe in Bradenton, FL. My comments and bialy recipe appear in the article dabrownman referenced https://whatscookingamerica.net/Bread/Bialy.htm But that was written many years ago and since then I've tried many other recipes and found one that approaches my early bialy eating experiences.

If you've never had a bialy let me explain what it is, and what it isn't. It isn't related to the bagel except for the fact that both were baked in the same union run bakeries. The exterior of a bialy is soft not hard; it is lightly dusted with flour left over from when it was shaped; it is relatively flat with a center indentation that has a minimal schmear of onion, poppy seed and salt, not a mound; when cut the bottom half is solid and has the filling on it, the top is a thinner ring of bread; it's baked size is 3 1/2" - 4" and it is pale in color and similar in taste to the outer puffy crust of a NY pizza. They stale very quickly so if you can't buy one fresh from a bakery you're better off buying a package of them in the frozen bread section of the supermarket. A warm bialy is a treat as is, otherwise split and toast it.

Today I bake bialys based on the recipe at http://artisanbreadbaking.com/bread/bialy/#ret  This recipe starts with a biga which develops flavor overnight in the refrigerator. Instead of using fresh onions I follow our great late baking guru Norman Berg's advice to use dried onions rehydrated for 30 minutes in hot water, drained and mixed with poppy seeds, salt and a bit of neutral oil. This way the onion topping doesn't burn. I portion my bialys at 3 oz each and stretch them 4" wide. Mini bialys can be made the same way using 1 oz of dough. When shaping, think of a kiddie pool and make the roll with a thin outer rim and wide flat center. The rim will puff up and close in on the center when baking. To insure that the center doesn't blow up into a round roll, dock the center area before putting a thin schmear of filling then immediately bake. If you allow the rolls to rise for 10 minutes per the recipe, they will have a tendency to puff up in the center. I bake on hot tiles at 450F for about 10 minutes. The rolls should not totally brown, instead they may be spotted. Take them out of the oven and cool on a rack for 15 minutes then stack as many bialys as will fit comfortably into a zippered plastic bag. This will keep them soft. If I freeze them I wrap each one individually in plastic wrap then place them in a freezer bag. When I want to eat one I let it defrost in the plastic wrapping on the counter and go from there.

A Pletzel is a larger rectangle that is very flat with a thick rim and made from the same dough. It is docked all over the center then schmeared with the same filling. When baked the outer rim is crusty and chewy and the center part (the majority) is like a giant cracker. Great hot from the oven with sweet butter. It was my father's favorite.

I wanted to include some photos but I'm having trouble doing that. I'm also moving in 5 days and was glad that I saw this thread when I did. Bialy's aren't hard to bake, you just need to make the simple biga the night before.

Gald you were able to read the post and post such a great comment before you moved.  We are going to be making plezels before you know it but they might be called pizzas and have the same absinthe uncured salami on it!

The SD makes the baked gods last much longer than 6 hours - just can't eat all those bialy's that fast!

Good luck with the move!  I'm pretty sure i would rather do anything else

Happy baking!

I am going to make some belly lox and a bialy is easier to make than a bagel so I was looking for a good simple formulation.

The filling is probably caramelized onion, toasted pumkins seeds and a little Comté (but until they get loaded it could change a few times).

Maybe I will make them Saturday night, retard overnight, and bake them on Sunday morning.