Janedo's "basic bread"
Janedo's basic bread crumb
Jane ("Janedo") is an American expatriot who has lived in France for 15 years with her husband and children. She has a wonderful blog about her sourdough baking ( http://www.aulevain.canalblog.com/ ) with a loyal and enthusiastic following. We have been fortunate to have her participation on TFL, and there have been some rather interesting discussions of differences in taste preferences in France versus the U.S., the frustrations of exchanging recipes when the ingredients we use, particularly the flours, are not comparable and other topics.
Currently, Jane is, I think it's fair to say, struggling to like San Francisco style sourdough bread made from Peter Reinhart's formula in "Crust and Crumb." Of course, we cannot know exactly what she is baking, since we cannot duplicate it with the flours we have. Nor can she know what my baking from this formula produces with King Arthur Bread Flour and Guisto's whole rye flour.
Jane has shared the recipe for what she calls her "basic bread." She says this is the bread her family prefers (and asks her to return to whenever she inflicts San Francisco-style sourdough on them). This was my first attempt to duplicate Jane's bread. She uses a combination of T65 and white spelt flour. I don't have access to T65. I debated as to how I might best approximate it. I'm not at all sure I made the best decision, but the recipe and procedure I used, adapted from Jane's recipe, follows:
Ingredients
150 gms active liquid starter (fed with high extraction flour, 100gms flour to 130 gms of water))
315 ml water
400 gms First Clear flour
140 gms White Spelt flour
7 gms Sea Salt.
Procedure
I mixed the starter and 300 ml water then added the flours and salt. I mixed in a KitchenAid stand mixer with the paddle for 1.5 minutes at Speed 1, then with the dough hook at Speed 2. After the first minute, the dough cleaned the sides and bottom of the mixer bowl. This seemed too dry, so I added 1 T (15 ml) water at this point, resulting in the dough still cleaning the sides but sticking to the bottom of the mixer bowl.
The dough made a "window pane" after 9.5 minutes mixing with the dough hook. It was quite tacky. If I pressed on it for a couple of seconds, it was sticky, but with brief contact it did not stick to my (lightly floured) hands. The dough kept its form easily without spreading but was very extensible.
(I am describing the dough in such detail because the differences in flours we use result in such different doughs at the same hydration. I think the behavior of the dough and its feel will give another person better guidance, if they want to reproduce this bread. For that matter, it gives me more guidance if I want to change it next time.)
I put the dough on a lightly floured Silpat mat and, after a brief rest, stretched and folded it a couple of times, then placed the dough in a lightly oiled glass 2 liter measuring cup with a cover to ferment.
The dough doubled in volume in 7 hours. I scraped it onto the Silpat, rounded it gently and let it rest for 15 minutes. I then shaped a boule and placed it, smooth side down, in a linen-lined wicker banneton. I lightly floured the surface of the dough and enclosed the banneton in a plastic bag.
The boule was allowed to expand to 1 1/2 times the original volume (1.75 hours) then transfered to a peel and slid onto a baking stone in a pre-heated 450F oven. 1 cup of boiling water was poured into a pre-heated cast iron skillit, the oven door was closed and the oven was turned down to 410F. After 5 minutes, I removed the skillit and continued to bake for 35 minutes. (The internal temperature of the loaf was 205F after 30 minutes, but I wanted the crust a bit darker and to be sure this large loaf was well-baked.) I then turned off the oven but left the loaf in the oven for another 5 minutes.
The crust was qute hard when the boule came out of the oven, but it softened considerably as the loaf cooled.
Eating
The crust was somewhat crunchy, but more chewy. The crumb had a lovely, tender, slightly chewy texture. I could not identify a distinctive flavor I could attribute to the spelt flour (which I had never used before). I thought I should add a little more salt next time - maybe 10 gms rather than 7 gms. The sourness in the bread hit on the 5th chew and became progressively more apparent. I would regard this as a moderately sour sourdough, certainly more sour than the pains au levains I have made from Hamelman or Leader's recipes.
With all levain breads, the flavors seem to fully develop and become better integrated on the second or third day after baking. So, stay tuned.
David
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This is so interesting! I'd love to sink my teeth in to it to see what it tastes like.
Quite frankly white spelt doesn't really change the flavour that much, it's more the texture. You'd have to go to a darker spelt or what we call "petite épeautre" which is actually another grain altogether to really notice a distinct difference.
I'm going to weigh my salt to see exactly how much it makes, but since it's "humid" I don't know if that makes a difference.
The crust of my bread gets pretty darn crunchy, and since it often "bursts", there are bigger crunchy parts and then thinner crunchy parts (do you see what I mean?).
When I make this bread the crumb is a little bit "greyer" so that to me is evidence of the differences in flour. The crumb is quite chewy. The sour flavor disctinct compared to other breads I make and as you say, moderately soury. Here, bread never survives more than a day so I never notice a developement with time. Let me know.
Your holes look nice and big!
Thanks so much for doing to test. I really enjoy the exchange and it is a real learning experience for me.
Jane
David
David
David,
I'm truly amazed and impressed as you continue to produce such beautiful loaves of bread. That crumb is just...wow!
Howard - St. Augustine, FL
Hi.
I don't know enough at this time to care about the technical subtleties of flour. As the long as the bread looks, smells and tastes good, I'm happy. But I do like to learn as much as possible also.
Different flours have different ash content. I wrote to the flour mill that I get my flour from and asked for technical data, such as ash content.
The organic white flour had 0.55% ash (I presume this is equivalent to a T55?), the organic whole meal was 1.3% and rye was 0.9%.
I wonder, can you mix different amounts of each to achieve different ash content? The flours also varied with respect to water absorption (64.0, 69.0 and 70.0 respectively for white, wholemeal and rye. Mixing them will also affect the water absorption as well, I guess.
For example, to get a flour with 0.65% ash, could I mix 133g wholemeal and 867g white and get 1000g of flour with 0.65% ash (I worked out the math with algebra, using x's and y's - it's not that complicated - 133g multiplied by 0.013 PLUS 867g multiplied by 0.0055, gives you 1Kg flour and 6.50 g ash or 0.65%). Is it the same as a T65 flour in France?
I can get the same ash content also, by mixing 714g white flour and 286g rye.
Is that what flour mills do to get the different T ratings?
Sorry if it's too much information!
Very nice project David. The re-creation that you baked looks like a nice attempt considering you had to guess at the flour. Great looking crumb!
It would be nice if someone who really understands flour would publish a formula for creating a blend similar to T-55 and T-65 for example, using flours available in the US. KA flour apparently thinks they have figured it out in their French Style flour offering but it's only available in those nice sample gift sizes.
BTW David, I solved my sourdough sourness problem by switching to a blend with 70%AP:20%WW:10%Rye and maintaining at room temps, feeding every day. Now I am controlling the sour with time and or temp and there is plenty. The Wharf Bread is great!
Eric
David
David,
Last night I made a batch of the SD that Susan posted as her ultimate SD. It has I think 10% WW and All Trumps. My daughter and I just consumed the entire loaf (small 1#) and agreed it was the best SD I have ever made. I had a partial bag of KA Bread flour that I thought would be similar to the AT that I used. This was really special flavor with a full after taste and medium sour. I'm still drooling and kicking myself for not making more.
I have been using the blended flours for feeding the starter only. 70:20:10. The activity just took off and suddenly it smells like apples. No more refrigerating the starter for me, this is too good.
I want to try the Janedo's Basic next that you posted. The photo looks like it came out of a magazine. I'll look forward to seeing your rye.
Eric
David
I have taken the firm starter from the beginning of Reinhart's recipe and kept it in the fridge, then made it into liquid starter. Sometimes I just mix all the starters I have together (when I have too much) and remake a liquid, that I then take to make other recipes and other starters. Sourdough is very versatile and I find that once the firm has been made to liquid, the nice sour smell comes back after one feeding.
So, you can keep a liquid starter in the fridge and take the portion you want out and feed it, ready for the next day, making sure that you feed the one in the fridge about once a week. I have gone a lot longer than this because Bill (from TLF) said I could and it worked, no problem! It comes back right away, after a good feeding. As I say, mine is T110 so I don't know if that makes a difference.
I just want to add that our T110 is not whole wheat, T150 is whole wheat. T110 is what we call "bis", in-between. Mixing whole wheat with white doesn't make T110 because the real T110 doesn't have large bran flakes in it, only little tiny ones. But you can probably get a decent result. T80, my favorite flour, you can't get it there. It looks white... but it's not!
I also use ONLY organic flour and never T55.
Is it possible to send samples of the flour so you can see, or is that illegal over there ?
I can't get big holes with the san fran sourdough, is it because the gluten is so developed?
I went and broke my right hand pinky today and it sure makes typing very difficult!!!
David
David
David
Thanks very much for the though!
I got my son to make the Monge baguettes. When I figure out how to make my pictures "smaller" to fit in a blog entry, I'll show them to you. They're nice. I've made them twice since I told you about them, but upped the hydration by a lot!
I don't think you have to worry about sizing your pictures before posting them to the gallery as long as they're jpg file format. I post my pictures to the gallery in jpg format where they are available to use in a posting. When I first started trying to post I had the same problem, trying to manually size my pictures to fit the format. I think the upload software does it for you automatically.
Howard - St. Augustine, FL