Hi folks....I have been buying quite a lot of oven mitts of late as the usual stuff could not withstand high temperature of the Dutch Oven I am currently baking my sourdough bread with.
The one on the left, which I bought on Sunday, claimed that it can handle of heat up to 260 dc but if you take a closer look at it....you could actually see some marking there already. Also, it was giving out a bit of smoke as it was burning a bit and smell of burning rubber.
If it's not too much to ask for, may I know if any of you could recommend some good and reliable oven mitts please? The last thing I want is to burn my fingers or breathe in some toxic fume whenever I bake. Or there is nothing to worry about at all?
Thank you,
Sandy
I've had a pair of [url=http://amzn.to/1jNtKOk]Ove Gloves[/url] for almost 6 yrs now, and am very satisfied. They are made of kevlar and nomex. Nomex is the material race car drivers wear to protect themselves from fuel fires. They're not cheap, but they're worth every nickel.
gary
I shall have a look at that.
Regards,
Sandy
Thumbs up (no pun intended) for the Ove Glove. Just make sure you get authentic ones and not counterfeit ones. A guy made a video on how to tell the difference but I can't find it at the moment.
Go to the Ove Glove web site and look at their list of authorized dealers. I bought mine at Target. Besides being purchased from an authorized dealer, ISTR that one of the "tells" is that the real Ove Gloves have a fabric label stitched to the inside of the cuff. It has the CE logo and miscellaneous fine print.
I live in Asia and I bet my only choice is to get them through Amazon. Does Amazon sell any counterfeit goods are they are all genuine?
I use gloves from: http://grillheataid.com/
I just got a pair of these:
http://www.amazon.com/Oven-Extra-Long-Cuff-Gloves/dp/B00GEBA52C/
and they're working very well. My last pair (not sure of the make) lasted 2 years of daily use in a busy environment - I've read (on another bread list) that I can expect these to last over 2 years of daily in a busy bakery too.
Keep all oven gloves dry when in-use!
-Gordon
Made in S. Korea. Bought in a hardware store in the wood chopping section. They also prevent nasty cuts with knives and axes. Sold one at a time (Left identical to Right) and not in pairs so keep that in mind while looking.
I have another simpler pair of kitchen mitts too. Cotton outside and inside and thick padding.
-Mini
I don't use gloves, only pads. I once got a bad burn when a glove tore at the base of the thumb and can't bring myself to get another pair.
Gordon,mini and suave for your attention and suggestions too. Really appreciate that.
Happy Baking,
Sandy
Gordon,mini and suave for your attention and suggestions too. Really appreciate that.
Happy Baking,
Sandy
Thank you all for the recommendation.
I've seen them before in stores, but I never bit the bullet. But if they really work as well as you all say, for under $30 a pair, that is doable.
Gordon, it seems like the ones you are using are much the same as the 'Ove Glove'. I particularly like the extended cuffs of yours. Thanks for that Amazon link for the 'Grill Heat Aid' extended cuff gloves. Some of the reviews are saying they are even better than the 'Ove Glove'.
Thankfully, Santa Claus is coming to town. I'll probably be gifting a few as well.
dobie
We picked up a pair of welders' gloves at a local farm store a few years ago and they are the best oven mitts we've ever had. They hold up and protect from the hottest surfaces our ovens threaten us with. Not expensive either.
I'm sure I got the idea to buy them from a TFL post back then.
Tom
Good point Tom
Reading the 'one star' reviews of both the Ove Glove and the Grill Heat Aid gloves, I'm wondering (worried) about steam and liquid protection. I'll have to keep investigating.
The one thing I don't particularly care for with welding gloves is their bulk. These other options seem to be sleeker and offer greater dexterity.
But closer fitting gloves are harder to get off when the heat (by steam or liquid, perhaps) gets too hot compared to welding gloves, which, tho bulky, you can usually just whip off.
Still an open question.
Thanks
dobie
http://breadtopia.com/store/breadtopia-oven-glove-ladies/
$16.00 a pair Two sizes. MADE IN USA.
Quickly shipped, Nice website, family business.
I purchased these two weeks ago, so I cannot give you a long term review.
I used these to do a demo on no-knead/artisan bread and I was very happy with the performance.
500 f preheated cast iron pulled out of the oven, placed back in, lids removed, replaced.
I could not sense the heat. I did not do laps while holding the pan.
These are not stated to be water or steam proof.
Quality appearance, MADE IN USA
OVE glove is made in Korea.
They try hard to hide it by stating it is shipped from USA.
Real welders gloves are made to handle much higher heat that you will encounter in baking.
All Leather, no synthetic materials that can melt.
They should be loose on purpose so you can shake them off.
Do not buy Big Box Store imitation welders gloves.
Go to a welders supply and buy the real deal.
They are not expensive.
Actually the cheap import imitations on Amazon are more expensive.
Just my 2 cents.
Darrell
[quote]OVE glove is made in Korea.
They try hard to hide it by stating it is shipped from USA.[/quote]Actually, they very clearly state that the gloves are manufactured in Korea and distributed from the US.
g
We will have to agree to disagree. Here is the link to the OVE' glove website. http://www.ovenglove.net/ovenmitt/index.htm I do not see any mention of Country of Origin / Manufacture. Did I miss it ? From their Amazon page. The spelling errors speak volumes. Any mention of COO ? Joseph Enterpries Inc, is the only legal manufactrer and distrbutor of the trademarked Ove Glove . Our products are only shipped from the USA. We are the exclusive distrbutor of household gloves using Kevlar and Nomex DuPont. Here is the link. Any mention of COO ? http://www.amazon.com/Ove-Glove-Steam-Right-Yellow/dp/B004AC6UJE/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1449691887&sr=8-4&keywords=ove+glove Typical of Chinese/Asian import products. Thanks for the repartee. Darrell
Well, I guess first would be;
Darrell, are you associated with Joseph Enterpries Inc or not? I'm thinking probably not, but your post reads otherwise as there are no quotation marks around 'Our products are only shipped...'. Do you see my confusion, or are you a representative?
Regardless, I find the statement that (whether coming from the company, you as a rep for the company or from you personally) that 'We are the exclusive distrbutor of household gloves using Kevlar and Nomex DuPont' to be questionable. I would be surprised if Dupont granted such exclusivity, but, who knows, I may be wrong.
And yes, welder's gloves, even the 'real thing' are reasonably inexpensive and easy to 'shake off' and for good reason (otherwise I wouldn't have mentioned it). I keep a pair in the trunk of my car along with a 3 foot crow bar.
In essence, please re-read your post. Whatever is meant, is not so 'clearly stated' that I can understand it in clear reference, but I would appreciate clarification.
Getting back to my real question (which is) are either Ove Gloves or Grill Heat Aid gloves protective from steam and/or boiling water? The reason that I ask, is that various reviews give various reports, and it does seem that the more current reviews are the ones that mention steam (if not boiling water) protection. I was hoping that someone with 'real world' experience could let me know.
I was thinking there might have been an upgrade in that ability with one brand, the other or both. That is the question I am asking.
Personally, I don't much care where they are made, just so long as they do the job, but it is the specifics of that job which concerns me.
Most certainly, I don't want to waste money (and skin) on some cheap knock offs (no matter where they are from), just to save a buck. But I do want to understand exactly what protection I am purchasing for my money.
dobie
I obviously do not work for Joseph et al, as I posted a link to another product above.
When I posted this comment the formatting was lost.
It might have been more clear with the proper paragraph breaks.
My point was that they do not make it clear where their product is sourced.
They do not even go to the trouble of proof reading their information on Amazon.
You are correct that they appear to make a claim of exclusivity from DuPont. Not true.
I was originally suggesting another Made in USA alternative that I have found to be satisfactory for the purpose I bought it for.
I stated that it is not described as steam or boiling water protective.
You clearly stated that you have no concern for the country of manufacture. I suggest that you start.
Case in point. Bannetons or Brotforms.
The market is flooded with cheap Asian @#$%.
The problem is that this destroys the market for the traditional product.
Try to find a genuine French Banneton or German Brotform.
It's getting very difficult to distinguish because no one discloses the Country of Origin.
They use European sounding company names, they list how the item meets some obscure EU standard (see below) and they do not respond to requests for COO information.
One notable exception is Eddingtons that states Vietnam as the COO.
" Comply with the general requirement (Article 3) in European Union Regulation (EC) No. 1935/2004 on materials and articles intended to come into contact with food."
MightyChef
Well, not so obvious.
I thought you might not be a rep (based on your previous post), but based on how new you are to TFL, it was a reasonable possibilty. But as you suggest, your post, lacking the 'formatting', was fairly confusing. It is reasonably clear now and I thank you for that.
Just because I said that I don't care about the country of origin, (implying the quality of the product is preferred) please don't think that I haven't 'start'ed the consideration. I am well past that phase.
Regarding my concern for the country of manufacture, I am primarily concerned with;
shoddy workmanship
inferior materials
poisonous materials
and etcetera
All qualities that may or may not occur in products from anywhere on this globe. Buyer beware.
Let's talk 'Dow Chemical' if you care to. How about all the chemicals they can't sell here in the US (but can manufacture for export to the rest of the world, i.e. DDT), that come back to us on the skins of the fruit that are imported?
Please don't think I am un-American, I'm not. But no matter the country of origin; it damn well better be better, if you want me to buy it.
Yes, I understand the hidden dangers. But those dangers exist in products from Corporate America as well as from Corporate China. I'll place my bets as I see fit, and feel no less Patriotic for doing so.
If it weren't for the introduction of Honda and Toyota automobiles into the US market in the 1970's, Dodge and Chevy engines would still be only lasting 75,000 miles or so before they died.
So there is something to be thankful for. Who won the War, after all? These are the spoils. Enjoy them.
To my mind, if there has been any Revolution of sorts thru these past 20 odd years, it is that the 'European Union Regulations' have surpassed the US regulations (CFRs) in standards for consumer safety, health, education, and environmental welfare (as well as sanity).
Now if you want to call me un-American, go ahead, it's your right to do so. And that is your natural right, not given to you by any Constitiution. The Constitution was designed to keep Government off the back of your natural (some would say 'God Given') rights.
I do appreciate you telling me that the 'the gloves' are not claimed to be steam or waterproof.
Is that your experience?
That was the question.
dobie
1) I never made any assertion that your lack of concern was un-American.
2) My suggestion was to pay attention because it is important where an item
is produced. My example was apropos to this website. Bannetons.
Many cheap pieces of @#$% from China are actually priced higher than
German or French or other EU produced items and come at a high cost in
consideration of the lack of overall quality.
I counted over 100 listings for bannetons on Amazon that are Asian sourced,
but not a single example of a genuine Old World item.
I gave up after that.
I do not declare that my efforts are definitive, just an example of the obstacles
of running into the real item.
My older bannetons are about 11mm rattan, the new ones are 9-10mm
and the current Asian ones I have seen are 7-8 mm, with a couple at 6mm..
This doesn't take into account the errant staples, big gaps, splinters, and
many short pieces of rattan to cut costs.
Trouble being that most of the sheeples out there won't notice until it is too
late. Money spent and all they have is a handful of @#$%.
3) Dow Chemical does not produce DDT in the United States.
The only country presently producing it is India, which is also the largest
user.
It is primarily used for Malaria suppression, not as a crop insecticide.
Of more concern is Dow AgroSciences research and pending approval of
GMO soy beans and possibly others resistant to 2-4d and Dicamba.
This is called Enlist and they also developed a new herbicide called Enlist
Duo with Glyphosphate and 2-4d.
2-4d is one of the chemicals in the notorious Agent Orange used extensively
during the War in Vietnam.
Agent Orange exposure for soldiers during their military service has been tied to diseases such as amlyoidosis, Hodgkin's disease, leukemia, type 2 diabetes, ischemic heart disease, multiple myeloma, Parkinson's disease, prostate cancer, several types of respiratory cancers, and other conditions. The VA Department also recognizes birth defects such as spina bifida tied to Agent Orange and other herbicides.
4) Who won the war after all ? What war would you be referring to ?
5) As stated I have had the gloves for about two weeks and gave one short demo where I handled very hot cast iron and was happy with the performance.
No steam or boiling water.
Darrell
Darrell
'Sheeples', I like that. Very good.
I very much appreciate your detailed response. You have obviously done your research (much further than mine) and I am glad you shared that.
In my own defense, it was late, I was tired, I got offended, waa, waa. My bad.
Just to get it out of the way, I was referring to WWII (I should have been clearer). It was perhaps not an appropriate reference as what I was really alluding to was that I am not automatically opposed to goods 'Made In Japan' or elsewhere in Asia. Also, that the US is not immune to similar problems of manufacture.
But to the bigger point, I think you are right, 'buyer beware'.
My latest input was that Dow was still making DDT in the US, but only for export. If I am wrong, I apologize. I wouldn't be surprised tho, if it were Dow making it in India.
By 'Malaria suppression' do you mean that they apply it to waterways to kill off Mosquito larva? Man, that would even be worse (in my first opinion) than using it as an insecticide.
I have several friends who served in Vietnam in the 60's and 70's that have to varying degrees, many of the ailments you have mentioned, including children with Spina Bifida. It is not pretty.
Thanks for the heads up on Enlist. I will keep my ears open.
And thank you for the review on your experience with the gloves. I appreciate it.
It's all good.
dobie
The manufacturing point is listed in the Amazon page.[quote]Origin: Korea, Republic of[/quote]
Further, the tag in each glove also states it is from Korea. I see no intent to deceive.
There can be no agreement to disagree when dealing with simple statements of fact.
gary
Someone stated that they were interested in the Ove Glove with added protection for water and steam. I looked at the amazon page for that item which I linked to above and I include now.
http://www.amazon.com/Ove-Glove-Steam-Right-Yellow/dp/B004AC6UJE/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1449691887&sr=8-4&keywords=ove+glove
There is no mention on this page of COO. None.
There are two seperate and distinct references to and I Quote
"Joseph Enterpries Inc, is the only legal manufacturer and distributor of the trademarked Ove Glove. Our products are only shipped from the USA."
I think it obvious that a label on the inside of the cuff of your gloves does me no service while I shop online.
A deception does not require an outright lie. Omission is a form of deception on its own accord.
"Oh I'm sorry. Did I forget to mention last night that I'm married."
'Nuff said
Darrell
If you're going to fork the thread, you should mention it along with marital status. Your deceptive practice earns you the sobriquet of troll.
g
Here are the ones I bought for handling a combo cooker / dutch oven. I would rate them as good not great. http://www.amazon.com/Grill-Armor-Extreme-Resistant-Gloves/dp/B00GRC2JS6 I got the size listed as extra long cuff.
When you go to their home page, while it says 932 F - it says that the gloves are rated for 12 seconds at that temp. Above 500, they only rate them for about 25 seconds. So I do use them to load, then to take off the combo cooker top, then finally to take out the cast iron cooker. You have to move with deliberate haste, because the heat will build in the gloves if you hold it too long. I also have welding gloves, and don't think they are any better at heat, and are definitely more restrictive. The Grill Armor are woven, so they are more flexible, I doubt they would do much to stop steam, but haven't tried. When I last looked, solid silicone gloves had a lower upper temp limit, but I would guess they would be better at steam protection.
http://www.grillarmorgloves.com/pages/faq
Thank you Barry,
dobie
"Ove" Glove TM details from Justia;
https://trademarks.justia.com/772/62/the-ove-glove-77262146.html
Then the "Design" Patent information from Google Patent;
https://www.google.com/patents/USD567454?dq=D567454S
Wild-Yeast
P.S. I use whatever works including doubled up terrycloth towels all the way to welder's elbow length gloves. I had a high count polyester shirt catch fire in the back one time. It left melted plastic over most of the back of my T-shirt. I removed that shirt faster than superman changing clothes in phone booth and came out of it unscathed.
I Also remember that crew members of the airship Hindenburg were not burned in areas where their hand knitted wool hosiery covered their skin. I've worn Nomex gloves and clothing at various times and have been somewhat skeptical about what happens when they melt on to your skin AND you survive the incident. Guess I may be overthinking it some...,
I do not think that you are overdoing it.
Synthetics have definite limitations and melting point is one of them.
I do blacksmithing as a hobby and the first lessons are about clothing and heat.
No synthetics, natural fiber only.
Leather shoes, leather or denim apron, denim pants.
Leather welding gloves that can be easily shaken off.
I cut off the elastic on the cuff.
All this to avoid items that melt and carry that melting heat into you and get stuck to your skin.
MightyCef and Wild-Yeast
I had a similar experience with a melting synthetic shirt when I was a teen. In my case, front shirt tails caught fire at a BBQ. And like you, Wild-Yeast, I got that thing off pronto before any serious injury.
It's been nothing but 100% cotton and leather for me ever since (I'm allergic to wool). I do have some synthetic baggy shorts I wear when boating because they dry so quick, but they're easy off if need be.
I don't blacksmith, but on occassion I will weld or solder, but even just when using power tools, I prepare as MightyChef does.
Leather and denim, loose (but not too), tucked in, nothing loose hanging and steel toe shoes or boots when appropriate (anything heavy) and leather gloves appropriate to the job. Also, appropriate breath mask, ear plugs and safety goggles. It has saved me numerous times from more serious injuries.
Good advice.
dobie
I bought these two years ago this past November. I like them very much for getting the dutch ovens in and out of the stove. Like other fabric gloves you won't want to use these to take out trays that have liquid in them. First, the stain. Then, they burn. Liquid runs through these quite quickly.
Hot cast iron on the other hand, is easy to handle for the brief period of time needed to take it out and put on the stove top, and to lift from the stove top and put it into the oven. I appreciate the long cuff that runs to my elbow because on occasion, I need that extra protection.
Note, if you hold on to that 500 degree cast iron pan for too long, you will feel the heat. And it may even get too hot to handle, especially if you felt that heat and then immediately picked up another 500 degree cast iron pan.
In other words, you are not heat proof. And if you need to carry the 500 degree pan from room to room, these aren't the gloves for you. But, then again, I don't want to be in your house.
Thank you David
Good detailed review.
I appreciate it.
dobie
Well here is my two bits worth on the "Grill Armor" glove. This is my review on Amazon:
These gloves are made of some sort of fire resistant fabric, silicone grip strips, and cotton liner. They really don't protect the hands very well. Tonight I lifted a baking dish at 350° out of the oven and had to drop it due to heat burning my hand. Also, they are downright dangerous in any situation where there is any moisture. The hot moisture, or steam, will instantly penetrate right to your skin. All in all, I would avoid these unless you are handling sub 300° and DRY items.
P.S. I had to come back and edit this post, because the claim that these gloves will "withstand heat up to 662°" is absolutely laughable. At that temperature, your fingers would look like burned hot dogs.
My recommendation is for the OXO Good Grip. They are extremely heat resistant, and also will not allow steam to penetrate into your hand when there is any moisture around.
http://www.amazon.com/OXO-Grips-Silicone-Magnet-Licorice/dp/B001HW3VG0/ref=sr_1_1?s=home-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1449897938&sr=1-1&keywords=oxo+mitts
edroid
Thank you for the very detailed review.
While there are many pluses to this type of oven glove, I think that the lack of 'moisture, or steam' protection, coupled with the fact that they can't just be 'whipped' off if needed, is pretty much leading me to not go down that road.
The Oxo mitts look very interesting indeed. I have more Oxo products than I would care to admit, (I am generally a fan) and I will look for them locally.
Thanks again.
dobie
I have tried welding gloves...... Not good enough. Sick of smelling burnt rubber from my other pot holders. I am eyeing the sfbi mits but I like the price and dexterity of the heat aid. Anyone got the sfbi mits? They are on Amazon for about 50 as well. Says they are rated to 572 degrees F.
with nothing to do (Back in '84) I got my hands on some medium sized cotton string and crocheted an oversized oven mitt. After a hot wash, toss in the dryer and a day in the hot sun, it was extremely tight, thick and the almost the right size. Easy to pull off too. Wish I had made the wrist section longer but it has been with me all these years, it is just a bear to wash, has a nasty goulash stain but does protect from steam.
Another favourite is heavy denim cloth sandwiched with several layers of cotton terry cloth. I recycle a bit. :). Ironing board covers are usually good for some heat reflecting cloth if desired. Just like a dusted banneton, a little flour dust will repel liquids and steam on the surface of the fabric.
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