Hope anyone out there could help. I currently use 2 mixers for my production, a 20 quart planetary mixer and a 5 quart KitchenAid mixer. I use my KA mixer for small batches or to test new formulas. Then I use my 20 quarts for bigger and heavier doughs. My problem is... when i mix dough using my KA mixer, my bread usually turns out soft, but when I mix it using the bigger mixer, it kinda turns harder than expected. Now my question is, would there be a difference in the final product when making larger quantities? Is there also a difference in the way a mixer kneads dough... I wouldn't push my KA mixer to knead upto medium speed, just on speed 1 or 2.... but obviously my 20 qt mixer does the job with ease. Thank guys. =)
I too have a 20 qt planetary mixer, and have used smaller KAs in the past. I have a few thoughts: do you have the same style dough hook for both mixers? Are you developing the gluten more in the 20 qt than the KA? I've noticed that even when I get the dough to windowpane in the KA, it's not as smooth as in the 20 qt. Also, when you mean that the dough is harder, do you mean that it's firmer? A dough with the gluten overworked can feel tougher than a dough with it just worked to medium development.
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Aladenzo--
I don't think you're alone in noticing these differences. I had noticed the same thing with my mixers, although I have never concurrently owned both mixers, just each separately. It seems to me that the KA tears the gluten as it works it, so even when it's windowpaning, it still lacks smoothness. This lack of smoothness can make the dough seem softer. I just say this because I often, depending on the dough, take the dough out of the mixer before maximum gluten development and just use the folding technique to get the dough to reach the right level of development. It seems a lot firmer and smoother after a fold than before, despite the fact that I've added no additional flour. Does that make sense?
What sort of production do you have that you have a 20 qt mixer?
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I was making Reinhart's Transitional Country Hearth Bread this weekend, which is 65% hydration. I had to keep prodding the dough with a rubber spatuala, and several times stopping the mixer and pushing dough off the dough hook. Without doing that, it was not mixing well on my KA.
The bread turned out great, though. My wife and her mother both liked it.
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Hi Aladenzo--
When I'm trying out a new formula, I always either do it in enough quantity that it will pick up on the hook for my 20 qt, or I just hand-knead it. I'll test in larger quantities later if I'm happy with the results. I never bother with a smaller mixer anymore--I don't have enough room for the things I absolutely need as is! Are you a bakery or a home op?
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wow, i remember the first time i kneaded by hand... very tiring.... but it turned out beautiful. We were making about 1.5 kg of dough that time, and i didn't expect I'd make breads by hand. So how did the breads go once you do larger quantities? Were they the same in texture? Color? Taste? Im a home op ... well, we constructed a kitchen actually. How about you SOL? Do you have your own bakery?
Hi Aladenzo--
No, no bakery for me! I'm a home op, and quite content to be that way. There is one bakery in my town (meaning the main one that's 20 miles away) and my understanding is that it's really struggling. I have no desire to take on something so monumental. And just to set the record straight, I only hand-knead if it's a sourdough, since they develop so easily, and only if it's a small batch I'm just testing or something I'm making for my family. I have developed Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, and am managing it quite well, but I don't want to do unnecessary hand work.
I'm afraid I really can't answer your other questions about the difference when I started using my recipes in larger quantities. I started out as a really small home op, and just used an Electrolux DLX for that (a spiral mixer). My style of breads changed just around the time I bought my 20 qt, and from that point on, I've always used the larger mixer. I just make a larger batch if I'm testing, since having a larger portion of dough allows me to test a variety of shapes and bake temps for the bread.
Would you be interested in exchanging emails? You sound as though you're farther along in the home op business (you constructed a kitchen! How jealous am I!) than I am and I'm finding it at times difficult to try to have a commercial production in a home setting. Your experience and modus operandi would be most appreciated!
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My email address is aladenzo@gmail.com ... what's yours? Well, the truth is... I find my breads to be so simple.... as for "experience" ??? I don't know what you're talking about. hahaha. I don't even know how to make my own starter for sourdoughs. I tried.... but failed. By the way, I'm from Manila, Philippines and breads here are wayyy different from your all-time favorite sourdough, WW and rye breads. Our breads here are so soft that you don't even have to chew them. It's the same as your typical asian breads that you buy from chinatown, the ones with filling and toppings. As for our kitchen... well, honestly, it's just a small production area... we usually bake Filipino breads to supply our customers with. I have tried doing our production at home but... it's just too crowded for me. By the way, how do you proof your dough at home? Do you have a proofing machine?
Hi Aladenzo--
I'd be interested in hearing what RSI is exactly, and how it might differ from CTS. I have been diagnosed as having CTS, back in June, in fact, and that along with tendonitis in my right forearm restricts what I am able to do. Really, it's not that bad though, I just restrict myself to one variety of a batard and one sandwich loaf per baking session, and do boules the rest of the time. It also gave me an excuse to stop making dinner rolls, which I hated doing. If I remember correctly, you said that you do rolls--do you do these by hand or machine? Also, you never did respond to my request for your email....:)
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