First, the starter story, aka I never thought it could happen to me. My starter has been serving me well for a couple of years. It would get sluggish from time to time when I wasn’t giving it enough attention but it always bounced back after a couple of feedings. Then one week it didn’t bounce back. It failed to raise the starter I was building for that week’s bread and then failed to raise the bread. I’ve never had a loaf just completely fail to rise like that so the following week I gave the starter some extra feedings and expected it to bounce back as usual. Except that, once again, it didn’t. I made my build for the week’s bread anyway and it behaved the same as it had the previous week. I didn’t want to throw it out so I spiked the final dough with instant yeast and went ahead with the bread.
At this point I had to admit that I had a serious problem so I set out to revive my starter. It has always been fed whole wheat flour and kept at around 75% hydration. Feedings happened 2-4 times per week and its downtime was spent in the refrigerator. But something was very much off. I tried more feedings in the proofer, I tried small inoculations, I tried high hydration, I tried a fresh bag of flour, but the result was always the same: a few bubbles, a little expansion, but ultimately a slack, sticky dough that smelled distinctly of freshly cut grass. Some people like the smell of freshly cut grass – I am not one of those people. I don’t like the smell of freshly cut grass when it’s coming from freshly cut grass and I really don’t like it when it’s coming from my starter. Along with this new smell I noticed the complete absence of the old, acidic smell.
At first I took comfort in the fact that at least I was getting a consistent result. That’s better than having my starter go into a full death spiral, right? Then I got to thinking about the biology of it all (at least the bit I’ve managed to pick-up from hanging out around here) and came to the conclusion that my new and consistent result was not such an encouraging sign after all. What does it mean when the acidity appears to be gone, there’s a new smell, and I get the same result no matter how I feed it? Sounds like my starter environment has changed and it’s making some new critters very happy. Drat!
I couldn’t bring myself to start over completely but I came close (maybe I even did, who knows). I scooped the old starter out of its container and left what was stuck to the bottom where it was. I made a small amount of thick batter from those remains, whole wheat flour and pineapple juice to create an acidic environment that would make the good guys happy and the bad guys go live somewhere else. When the batter was bubbly (about 12 hrs later) I repeated the treatment. When that was nice and bubbly I switched back to water and kept feeding it about every 12 hours, gradually bringing the hydration and inoculation percentages down. A few days later there was the old smell! Wonderfully sour and fruity! What a relief! And, best of all, it is once again doing a very nice job of raising my breads
All this would be for nothing if I didn’t learn something along the way. I think I did. I think I got a little too casual with my trusty starter. Somehow I got into the habit of using smaller inoculations when feeding and that, combined with a lazy habit of cutting short the fermentation time, led to a shift in the population and then a shift in the environment. This may have opened the door to whatever it was that took over my culture. Or maybe not, but I’m going with it. Whatever the actual cause, I have learned my lesson and do solemnly swear that henceforth I will not take my starter for granted and will be more attentive to its condition.
And now the bread...
This happy accident was meant to be a lighter, softer, more kid friendly version of my usual crusty sourdoughs. Apparently old habits really do die hard because in the end I made a bread very much in my usual style. I was surprised that the addition of olive oil didn’t have a greater effect on the finished loaf, especially the crust. I guess I need to turn down the heat next time if I want the crust to be less… crusty.
I was aiming for an even, tender crumb, but didn’t quite hit the mark on that either. The oil certainly had a tenderizing effect, but I think it needed a little more mix time as well.
But my criticism of this bread only applies to what I had meant to achieve. Leaving my intentions aside, I must say I really like this bread! The flavor is excellent, and all the more rich and complex because of the olive oil. I may be “accidentally” baking this loaf more often.
Marcus
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Hi Marcus,
Nice writeup Marcus!
Quite often I find myself going through the same exercise as you describe with reviving your starter. I've come to realize it goes with the territory when it comes to home baking and our own personal schedules outside of our hobby. Honestly, I've never noticed a significant difference in flavour from a mature starter compared to relatively new one, my belief being it (flavour) has more to do with the quality/properties of flour used in the levan and how it's fermented rather than the starter itself. These are great looking loaves Marcus, regardless of whether the results were expected, kid friendly, or not. Nice baking!
Franko
Meir
Hi Marcus,
I started on your recipe. Unfortunately, I forgot the autolyse stage and mixed everything together (after the starter fermented per your instructions). I hand-kneaded for 20 minutes (hoping that would compensate some gluten development instead of the missing autolyse). The dough was really wet to start with - I had to hand-knead using a wet hand (immersed in water about every 4 turns of the bowl). The dough started rising nicely. I did S&F after about 1.5 hours on a floured board using a plastic scraper until the dough got a bit firmer. I only had time for one S&F before I had to rush to work, and I left the dough for bulk fermentation. Since I'll be away a lot longer than 4 hrs (more like 12 hours), I put the dough in the fridge for some retardation. I plan to continue tonight (after removing dough from fridge and letting warm up to room temperature) with the shaping and proofing. I always have these timing issues - or should I say lack of time - with sourdough breads (which is why I usually don't do 100% sourdough, rather I use my starter plus some commercial yeast for spiking on my daily breads). Do you think the autolyze stage is critcal if mixing by hand? Any suggestions are appreciated.
Thanks,
Meir
Conclusions! Bread tasted great. As it turns out I didn't have enough gluten development and had problems shaping (lack of surface tension), so not nearly as nice-looking as your loaves. More sour than I'm used to (but I don't make sourdough very often and usually don't ferment as long), and I could still taste the bread hours after eating it. Crust was very chewy and crumb nice and creamy. So, thank you very much for sharing! BTW, I think if you add even more olive oil (say double the amount) plus use a higher % of whole wheat (less gluten) you'll get the softer, lighter crust you were looking for. Regards,
Meir
Glad to hear you got a tasty loaf out of it! Thanks for the feedback. If I get a chance to bake a revised version any time soon I’ll be sure to post the result.
Marcus
Starters can be diluted to the point of demise, usually through excessive feedings in a cool environment (feedings that involve a discard). I never put mine in the fridge, and just feed it daily; generally with a 1:2:2 - 1:10:10.
Like Franko, I also notice no difference between a mature and young (but stable) starter. Then again, I would never expect to; unlike a bottle of wine, the contents of a starter are being contsantly replaced.
I only bake 2/3 times a week, but I keep the starter volume very low; I think I'd probably do the same thing if I baked once a week.
Not that daily feedings don't add another chore to the great list of things one must accomplish.
Yes, Grenage, the list is great even if the things on it are not ;) Someday I’ll manage to get that list rearranged a bit.
Marcus
... to a trusty old starter is understandable. Very glad you didn't have to say a final fond farewell. But another vote for finding no advantage taste-wise between old and new starters. I recently baked a 2 loaves with a 3-day old starter (3 days from conception that is - made with rye/wholewheat/white unbleached - and yoghurt. No water). That 3 day-old starter was so darn vigorous (thanks to yoghurt) it not only raised two great loaves, but was wonderfully flavoursome without being overly sour - something I'm not fond of.
But I digress. Your Lazurus starter obviously worked its old magic in raising you great bread. Beautiful photos, too.
All at Sea
Thanks All at Sea. Just 3 days!?! Nice! My main anxiety about starting a culture from scratch was the time and attention I thought it would take. I’ve only ever started from scratch once, not long after I began baking, and back in those days everything new and a little scary! The vague memory of that probably had something to do with my reluctance to start over now. Silly me! Starting over from (almost) scratch was a whole lot less trouble than flailing around trying to fix a broken starter!
Marcus
Thanks for the story of your starter. I have learned a lot here about how to deal with mishaps because people like you take the time to share what is going on in their kitchens. Now, when something unexpected happens, I don't panic. I generally know what to do. It is a good feeling: -)
If you ever get in a pinch again I do something similar to All at Sea and I too get a really vigorous and mild starter in just 3 - 4 days depending on my room temps. at the time. (My method comes from Dan Leopard's book 'The Hand Made Loaf') In fact, I just started up a new leaven and it will be used in tomorrow's bake. I have kind of fallen into a routine of starting a new starter every few months or so even though I bake daily. I like to keep mine mild and this seems to do the trick. But all could change at the drop of a hat.
Anyway, I now have a new trick to use in the event I ever end up with a lifeless starter for some reason - one never knows what may happen tomorrow....
Take Care,
Janet
Well said, Janet. Can’t have too many tricks in the baking bag! Sometimes my brain just insists on making things harder than they need to be. I probably should have posted the problem here to begin with but, well, re-read the previous sentence and there you go. More and more I’m thinking that a regular re-start would be a good thing. Thanks!
Marc
Marc,
I had the same fear of starting from scratch so the leaven I used for my first year of baking was 'store' bought. I finally decided to try one on my own this past winter to see what would happen. Only thing is, I didn't do just 1. I did an experiment with 3 different ones to see how each fared.
One was from the book 'The Bread Builders'; one from Whole Grain Breads which uses the pineapple juice; and one from 'The Hand Made Loaf'. The HML starter was the only one that took off and it took barely any care at all. One feed a day for 3 days and then it is up and running by the 4th! It is now my 'go to' method and I will use it rather than trying to revive old storage starter because it works faster!!!
I am sure you have read about drying some of your starter and storing it for emergency use. I have done that too and it is easy to revive but takes about as long to get going as the 'from scratch' one.
So I am glad I did my little experiment because I now feel a lot more secure with my starter 'care' techniques.
Take Care,
Janet
Hehehe, it figures that The Hand Made Loaf is the one book out of those three that I don’t have… are you gonna make me buy another bread book, Janet?!? I think I’m about due, actually. If I don’t get another bread book every few months I start to twitch :)
I came to the same conclusion about dried starter that you did. At one point I did try drying some but never got so far as to try to revive it. The idea was that it would be easy to give some away if anyone I know wanted to get a starter going but, as you point out, it wouldn’t really be any more trouble to teach them how to get one going from scratch.
Marcus
Marcus,
Library is a great source to check books out prior to purchasing them...Has saved me thousands of dollars over the years. His method is very simple and you might even be able to google it and come up with it.
I would spell out what I do but I know Dan Leopard prefers people to check out his recipes etc through his site. Since he has made that known here and on other food blogs I am hoping you can find it some other way other then purchasing the whole book....I knwo how expensive these bread books can become and how much shelf space they can occupy....
DeWitt looks like he has a pretty bullet proof method below too. Also using ingredients one usually has on hand.
One of the things I am learning now are that once you know what a starter needs to get going it really isn't all that difficult to do. Makes sense because if it was rocket science bread wouldn't have made it as long as it has....would have disappeared long ago.
Good Luck :-)
Janet
This is a terrific link, Andy, thank you. Loads of insights and much to digest. I am particularly struck by the way Rubaud, with all of his knowledge and experience, seems perfectly willing to embrace a new idea if it serves the needs of the bread… and seems just as willing to discard an idea if it doesn’t. Humbling stuff. This is the sort of food for thought that can get me babbling on and on, but for now I’ll just reflect quietly in my head.
Marcus
Rye sour to the rescue makes perfect sense, Andy. That’s a perfect thought to keep in my head while maintaining my wheat starter. Also interesting is how often I’ve read about production bakeries having the advantage of a constantly refreshed, and consequently vigorous, levain. That there is a point where this can become a liability makes sense, it just doesn’t usually make it into the story. I like the word “green” to describe the condition – works on all levels. The word “vegetal” popped into my head every time I smelled it but I’m not sure that’s actually a word…
And, yes, with 15% whole grain this is pretty much the lower limit for me. Though, a little indulgence from time to time is a healthy thing, too! Funny you should mention it actually, because I already have something considerably more robust planned for my next bake. Thanks as always, Andy.
Marcus