Panettone - Sourdough - Giorilli - My Second Panettone
After my first rushed attempt at a naturally leavened panettone without much research, I decided to try again, but with more planning and using what I think is a more respected formula, with all due respect to Gluten Morgen. However, I am still reluctant to try to build a LM. I invigorated a new 50% hydration version of my starter over two days with feedings of 1:0.5:1 at 82°F to ensure that it could triple in 4 hours. To deal with the overnight, I decided to try using a sweet 50% starter by adding sugar to equal 50% of the water (not the flour). This is very, very similar to what I do with stiff sweet levains. From my experience, I can then allow this to ferment about 12 hours at 76-78°F without over-fermenting and getting too acidic. These generally will triple in size in that time. Also, the osmotic pressure exerted by the sugar on the yeast but more so on the LAB can reduce the LAB population, resulting in less acids produced. However, what I’m not sure of is whether or not the LAB will repopulate once the second day of feeds resumes without sugar. In the end, I believe my pH data and this bake suggest that this approache works quite well without making a LM.
I prepared candied oranges instead of store bought for this bake. I used them along with sultanas and dried tart cherries for the inclusions. I did use an egg wash and topped with finishing sugar just prior to scoring and applying the pat of butter on the top of the dough instead of the almond glaze I used last time.
I do not have any panettone flour, instead I added Vital Wheat Gluten (VWG) to my bread flour aiming for a protein of 15%. Last time I aimed for 16% but I think, I’m not sure, that 15% is perhaps more typical.
The pH of my starter on the first day of prep just prior to the overnight feed with sugar, was 3.92. I unfortunately forgot to measure the pH of the stiff sweet starter in the morning. The starter at peak used to make the levain had a pH of 4.11. The levain tripled in size within four hours and had a pH of 4.13. The primo impasto had an initial pH of 5.43 and when tripled in size the next morning had a pH of 5.06. I was quite pleased by this as I believe that the aim was a pH of > 5.0 so mine was just barely in that range.
My proofing times were as expected, about 12 hours for the primo impasto to triple but the Secondo impasto was ready to be baked after only 6.5 hours.
Makes two 500 grams loaves; or 1 large loaf (1 kg)
Prep Time 4 days
Cook Time 50-55 minutes
Two day starter preparation
Aim to get starter active enough that it triples when fed 1:0.5:1 in 4 hours at 82ºF.
To deal with the overnight, create a stiff sweet starter by feeding the starter 1:0.5:1 and sugar 50% of total water and ferment at 78ºF. This will reduce the LAB population and slow the starter to last overnight and not be too acidic.
10 g starter, 5 g water, 4.15 g sugar and 10 g flour
overnight and the follow with 3 feeds at 1:0.5:1. The final starter feed needs to have a final total weight of 30 g.
Then levain build 30 g starter, 15 g water and 30 g flour.
Ingredients
First dough:
- Levain 75 g of 50% hydration
- 120 g water
- 240 g high gluten flour (~15% protein)
- 75 g sugar (superfine/caster) (see note)
- 75 g butter , softened not melted and cut into several pieces
- 55 g egg yolks (about 4)
Second dough:
- 60 g high gluten flour (15% protein)
- 2 g diastatic malt
- 70 g sugar (superfine/caster)
- 95 g egg yolks (about 5 or 6) divided to be added gradually
- 1/2 teaspoon salt (~3 grams)
- All of the aromatic mix (recipe follows)
- 95 g butter, softened (not melted)and cut into several pieces, divided to be added ¾ and finally ¼
- 120 g rehydrated white raisins and tart dried cherries, weigh after soaking
- 60 g candied orange , diced small
- 30 g candied citron , diced small
Aromatic mix:
- 30 g honey
- 1 vanilla bean
- half lemon grated
- half orange grated
Egg wash (optional)
- One egg beaten with a splash of milk or cold water
Instructions
***Day 1***. Overview and Preparation
- Overview of day 1: prepare aromatic mixture (will sit for 24 hours until day 2), soak raisins (soaks for 1.5 hours), refresh levain/starter 3 times throughout morning and afternoon (example, 8AM, noon, and 3PM), and then make first dough in evening (45 mins to 1 hour active time)
Mix Aromatic Blend and Soak Raisins
- To begin, mix ingredients for aromatic blend in a small jar, cover and let sit for 24 hours
- Rehydrate raisins and dried tart cherries by soaking them in bowl of hot water for 30 minutes, rinse well and then soak again in warm water for 1 hours. Drain and then place on paper towel and let sit overnight. Make sure to re-weigh raisins once hydrated because you will need less as they will weigh more.
Refreshing your Starter/Levain (Liquid)
- Ensure that your levain has been refreshed enough times so that it is very active (suggestion is at least 3 refreshers the day that you are making first dough) (eg, refresh at 8AM, noon, 3PM, and then use some to make first dough at 7PM). The 50% hydration starter fermented at 82°F should triple within 4 hours.
Mixing the First Dough (Primo Impasto) - evening of day 1. Consider refrigerating the mixing bowl and everything else other than the butter prior to mixing to help ensure a cool dough temperature during mixing below 78°F.
- When ready to mix the first dough, add the levain to the bowl of a stand mixer, along with flour and water. (For Ankarsrum Assistent start with dough hook, switch to roller after adding sugar and before adding butter)
- Mix for 10 to 15 minutes, then add sugar and then softened butter in several pieces.
- Only after butter is completely incorporated add the egg yolks in several stages.
- Ensure that the dough temperature stays under 26 degrees C (78F). If it goes higher, place dough in freezer for 10 minutes (remember this for second dough too)
- Mix for 25 minutes until you get a silky smooth elastic dough. The dough should achieve a great windowpane.
Bulk Rise of First Dough (12 hours/overnight)
- Place dough in large container (three times the size of the dough), cover, and let rise at 28/30 C (82 to 86F) for 12 hours.
- Once tripled in size, place in freezer for 30 mins to cool. This will help avoid overheating during the long mixing of secondo impasto
***Day 2***. Overview and Mixing of Second Dough (Secondo Impasto)
- Overview: Make dough two (45 mins), form loaves/rest dough (1 hour), let loaves rise (6 to 9 hours), and bake (35 mins to 1 hour, depending on liner size, see note)
- To begin, consider placing dough/bowl/hook in refrigerator while measuring ingredients for dough two
- When ready to proceed, add flour and barley malt to the day 1 dough and mix at slow speed then medium for 15 minutes using the hook
- Slowly incorporate sugar
- Afterwards, add half the egg yolks, salt, and aromatic blend.
- Knead until smooth and homogenous
- Add 70 grams (about 3/4) of the softened butter, mix well, and then the rest of the yolks.
- Knead until smooth and so that the dough passes a great windowpane. Then add the remaining butter, the raisins, and the candied fruit.
Bulk Rise of Second Dough
- Remove from machine and let stand in covered bowl for 30 minutes
- Remove dough from bowl. Form into tight boule. and let sit uncovered on counter for 15-30 minutes. Tighten the boule and then transfer to the form.
- https://youtu.be/NgVxXgaey_A?si=l7yIJbl2_k8_glx_ shaping video.
Final Rise of Second Dough
Optional, once the dough is in the form, pass the skewers through the form to save time and reduce risk of the panettone collapsing once out of the oven.
- Allow loaves to rise in liners placed on a on baking sheet, covered by plastic wrap at a temp of 28 to 30 C (82 F to 86F) for 8.5 to 9 hours. You may leave the covered dough inside the oven (turned off!) with the oven light turned on for warmth if you have a cool kitchen.
- The dough should rise within 1 inch of top of mold at the edge where it meets the form. If it rises more than that, you risk getting a mushroom shaped panettone, which is not considered ideal. Preheat the oven and uncover the panettone at this point.
Preparing to Bake
- In the meantime, before baking, pre-heat the oven to 165 C (330 F) and allow panettone to form skin by uncovering for 15 to 20 minutes prior to baking
- Cut a cross on top of panettone prior to baking and add a chunk of butter to the center (see photo collage) If you want shiny loaves, consider brushing top with egg wash
Bake loaves
- Center should read 94 C (201 F) when done (takes about 50 to 55 minutes for 1 kg dough; see note for baking according to size). After 50 mins at 330°F I dropped the temperature to 315°F and baked for a final 5 mins.
Invert and cooling of loaves
- To cool, immediately invert loaves by inserting wooden skewers across bottom and hang upside down on top of deep pot (see photo collage) (NOTE: you should use very pointy skewers or it may be difficult to pierce the panettone liners (I twist them for easy insertion; some folks pre-skewer their liners before baking. The loaves stick to the side of liners so they should not fall out. When serving, it is okay to cut right through paper and peel it off).
- After completely baked and cooled for 10-12 hours, place the loaves in plastic/cellophane bags. Before wrapping in plastic, you must wait 10 to 12 hours for loaves to completely cool. (to reduce risk of mold, consider spraying inside of bags with pure food grade alcohol and dry out completely before using)
- Panettone is best eaten at least 5 days after baking as the flavors continue to develop after baked.
I haven’t yet sliced into my panettone. I will post my comments about the crumb, texture and flavour along with photos later today. I am chuffed at this bake and very proud that my second panettone looks as good as it does. Big win, it didn’t fall out of the form!
Comments
Definitely pleased with this panettone. The crumb is so much lighter than my first one. The knife sliced through it like a hot knife through butter. Love the flavours, the homemade candied orange peels are much more delicious than store bought and I love the tart cherries. I won’t get around to baking this again soon since we’ll be heading to our place in Florida, but hopefully in the spring I can try again and hope that the results are repeatable.
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What a very nice panettone!! You must be very happy with this loaf, looks delicious!
Your sweet starter logic does make sense to me, and it appears to work quite well!
And your orange peels look so fresh and tasty. That kind of thing really makes the flavor. Combining them with cherries is interesting, making me think I should try it. I do have some dried cherries in the bin.
The more frequently you make panettone, the better it gets! I am investigating a recipe that an online group is making, it appears that almost everyone trying it got a great result, and it is designed to work with either liquid starter or LM.
--Sue
Thank you very much, Sue, that means a lot to me. I haven’t achieved the kind of crumb that you bakers who are masters of panettone get, that open, wispy crumb. I think I still have work to do, especially with developing the gluten better. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not in the least disappointed with this bake. However, I was struggling to figure out how to mix this with my Ankarsrum Assistent since most recipes describe how to mix using a spiral mixer.
Next time, I will add the sugar with the water at the beginning of the mix; this should help immensely. Now that I know that is fine to do, that should allow the first mix to work better and behave like it is higher hydration. I have also figured out now that since the beginning of both doughs are pretty low hydration, I will start out with using the hook and then switch to the roller as the butter and eggs are added.
We both really enjoyed the flavour of the tart cherries along with the orange peel. I’d never seen that combination before, but since I love both, I thought it might work. Also, orange and cranberry work so well, so why wouldn’t orange and tart cherries?
Thanks again for the encouragement and for sharing your knowledge with the rest of us novices!
Happy New Year.
Benny
That's a superb result for a Second go at Panettone. The Giorilli recipe is definitely approachable and often gives good results. I'm still quite surprised that this type of dough can be mixed in an Ankarsrum mixer.
Your unique approach to preparing the starter is inventive and quite intriguing, I'm glad it paid off. Getting the leavened Primo above pH 5 is certainly important and can be quite the challenge when using a LM style starter.
As to whether or not the LAB will repopulate once the second day of feeds resumes without sugar, the answer is absolutely the LAB will grow again when sugar is removed. Sugar can be helpful in ramping up the yeast activity but the preferential effect will not hold out. In the long run adding sugar to the starter regularly will simply select LAB that can acclimatise to that environment.
Great oven spring and going the extra mile and making your own Candied peel is the icing on the cake!
This is a great post, well structured and with lots of detail, a pleasure to read! Thanks for sharing it with us Benny.
Michael
PS. I can offer some thoughts on the crumb structure, if you are interested.
Michael, thank you for your generous comments, I always value your opinions and feedback.
I suspected as much about the LAB, I just wasn’t sure if they could repopulate within just a handful of feeds. Regardless it did seem to help achieve a good enough pH for the primo impasto I think. I’ll have to do more bakes to confirm that this wasn’t just luck.
Regarding the crumb, I would definitely appreciate your thoughts. For one, I think I could have pushed gluten development further than I did. I was able to get quite a good windowpane, but I suspect for panettone you need amazing windowpane while keeping an eye on dough temperature. I think that would help the texture and possibly the crumb. I’d love to know what you think.
Using the Ankarsrum Assistent was a lot of a learning curve for these doughs. They start at such low hydration that the roller just couldn’t handle it. For the primo, I think for sure next time I’ll start with the sugar in with the water in the initial mix. This should allow the first mixing of the primo to behave like it is more hydrated than it actually is. With the secondo I think I might do the same adding the sugar with the initial mix for the same reason. For both initial mixes I’ll start with the hook. The roller and blade just do not work with such low hydration dough in my hands. I can then switch much more easily to the roller which also seems to heat the dough more slowly when adding the butter and egg yolks.
Benny