Baguettes with Poolish
Baguette crumb
In my ongoing efforts to make wonderful baguettes at home, today I baked the Poolish baguettes from Hamelman's "Bread."
The poolish was made late last night. This morning it was about doubled and very bubbly. I used King Arthur AP flour for the poolish and for the dough. This worked well. I think the dough had the desired consistency with the exact amounts of ingredients called for in the formula. No adjustments were necessary. I mixed the dough for 3-3.5 minutes in a KitchenAide mixer, fermented 2 hours with one fold at 60 minutes. The dough was scaled and preshaped, then rested 10 minutes before shaping. I proofed the baguette for 60 minutes and baked 24 minutes at 460F with steam. I propped the oven door slightly open after I removed the skillet with water at 10 minutes in hopes of a thinner, crisper crust. I think it helped some.
I think the result was my best baguettes to date. I attribute this to less mixing, gentler shaping and not over-proofing the loaves. My scoring is better but still far from what I would have liked. The crumb color was distinctly yellowish. I assume this is from the carotene I usually oxidize by over-mixing dough. The cut baguette had a somewhat yeasty smell, which is not desirable, but it didn't taste yeasty. The taste was less sweet than some baguettes, but nice and wheaty.
Hamelman's recipe makes 3 lb 6 oz of dough. I scaled 2 portions at 12 oz. The rest I make into one batard shape and tried to cut it to make a "Viverais," one of the fancy shapes in "Advanced Bread and Pastry." It didn't really work, but the result was ... interesting ... and the bread was very good tasting.
Viverais made with baguette dough
Viverais crumb
The photo of the crumb doesn't do justice to the lovely yellow color it had.
David
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Your baguettes look almost exactly like what I've purchased at Whole Foods - the recipe I asked about re-creating at home and the size looks perfect. I have Hammelman's book on my cookbook shelves - I will definately have to dig it out and start experimenting again.
Trish
I also have a gas range and oven. If I had it to do over, I'd have gotten the gas range with a convection oven it would have cost more but I think it would have been easier to bake in. That being said, I guess we will just have to keep working with the gas ovens we have to get the best result we can...=).
Trish
Hi David,
Nice bread!
For your concerns about looking like a baguette and steam ovens, etc... I see baguettes on blogs in France almost daily and they look very authentic which leads me to believe there might be an ingredient issue as well. Maybe a shaping one, to? Have you tried doing short but still very thin? The ones you show are more like "bâtards" in shape. I don't know that particular recipe but from my reading, the baguette process is pretty darn tedious! I made the one from Glezers book. And yes, steam is really important. I know what you mean by the process being FUN! I am still willing to send you some authentic French flour if you want!
This said, I'd be very happy to have your bread for breakfast this morning!
Jane
David
I'm going to try and post that light rye recipe I told you about. Life is hectic these days, husband out of town, alone with the kids. Yikes! I still bake bread but I can't find the time to do my "hobbies"!
You are probably right about the type of flour and getting it right. Since great baguettes exist over there as well, I suppose! I'd still be curious what you'd do with French flour (I have a reputation for being obsessed with "experiments!". So, if we did a swap, don't laugh, but I'd just like to try some basic, good quality white bread flour to see what it's all about. You can send me your address through my blog if you want to do the swap.
Jane
David,
Thanks for your post, especially your explanation: "If the dough is too wet, the cuts won't bloom. If it's too dry, the crumb is too dense. If under-fermented, they don't taste as good, and don't have a nice crumb structure. If over-kneaded, they have a too-uniform crumb. If over-proofed, the cuts don't open up." For years I have been trying to find the right combination (technique/ingredients) and your comments are extremely helpful. Like you, I read somewhere that you can't duplicate the Parisian baguette but if Jane says it can be done I believe her. She is right, as I recall, they are bit flatter and wider. I really believe it has something to do with the flour type and professional steam injected ovens they use. Oh well, as Poe says, we must keep searching for El Dorado.
I have been fiddling and experimenting, trying to get something close to what I think might be a Parisian baguette for at least ten years. I've got composition books filled with experiements and notes...I keep going back, trying sort of like trying to get the last few cubes to fall into place with a rubix cube..move one thing and the other thing moves out of position. You did very good with your loaves, both your batard and baguettes look delicious. I'm definitely going to try Hammelman's recipe, using your suggestions.
Howard - St. Augustine, FL
David
David,
I have looked at the Hamelman photos. Don't know why I haven't done Hamelman's baguettes before. Just got diverted by too many baking books, I guess. Now, I'm back in the baguette groove, so to speak.
I used to spray, then I tried ice (Rose Levy recommends ice cubes in a pan, but I then I read that ice cubes also cools the oven down) so now, like you, I'm using a cast iron skillet with micorwaved simmering water out of a measuring cup into the preheated skillet, which works best so far. After reading Reinhart (I think) I remember reading that you lose up to 25 deg. each time the oven door is opened. Old habits die hard, so I have installed a time lock on the oven door that won't release until midway through the baking cycle :-) Only kidding. But, of late, I don't open the oven door after the steam is applied unless I have to turn the loaves around, mid-way through the baking cycle, which I have to do for large loaves, and it seems to help a lot.
I have a couple of 3lb bags of French style K.A. flour in the fridge that I will try and also will make them with, as you suggest, K.A. A.P. flour. I'll let you know how they turn out.
Howard - St. Augustine, FL
OK, I don't know if this is FACT, but a baguette dough really isn't very wet. One may think so because it has big holes in the end, but the initial dough is rather normal in feel. It balls. It is then the handling and forming that gets all those air pockets in there. LOOOONG fermentation and a several step shaping. The last ones I made felt like there were holes under the suface. Though they weren't perfect, I had also realized that I'd made them with T65 and they are usually made with a whiter flour and I had forgotten a couple of steps (must have been kids around) they were definitely a step closer. Most French bakeries cheat and they use flour with stuff in it. But a REAL artisanal baguette is a long series of handlings. And then a perfect bake with that steam!
I actually bought some T55 to do some again but then didn't take the time to do it. It'll be on my list!
Jane,
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the baguette process. There's a webcam site from Paris that shows pictures, at 5 second intervals or thereabout, of the bakery and the big oven with a conveyor belt for loading and unloading the baguettes into and out of the oven. Because the camera is fixed you really can't see all that much, particulary with the time difference. I occasionally go to the site and try to see someone working.
Edit: here a link to the bakery webcam http://www.siteparc.fr/bonneau/Webcam.htm
Check out the photo gallery of desserts... Amazing.
Howard - St. Augustine, FL
Thanks Howard! You really are a gold mine of neat internet stuff and "tricks"... keep it coming! There's nothing on that belt right now but there should be soon seeing as it's the morning.
Jane
I recently read that interview with the Parisian boulanger and he said that his rustique baguette is the result of a very long fermentation period (20-30 hrs). I think it is the bulk and it is done in a cool environment (not as cold as a fridge). I dare to say that a fridge stay would help for the home baker. Mike Avery told me about a book on French Bread called The Bread of Three Rivers. An American woman traces the making of a great loaf of French bread. The baker explains that that loaf is the only one he does that does not contain "levain" only yeast. It is made on a poolish. He said that he does the same thing, leaves the dough in a cool environment, but I can't remember if he does that only for the levain breads or for his baguettes as well. I have to go check.
With the experiments I have been doing, I've found that a cold initial rise gives bigger holes than that night stay after having been formed. Is that "le hasard"? I don't know, but I have also been mainly working with sourdough. Would it do the same for yeast breads? If that is done, I think the initial quantity of yeast has to be very very small to prevent over proofing.
And with that in mind, that is probably why the recipe in Glezer's book is done on a biga and a poolish.... hmmmm, food for thought!
I'm just throwing out ideas. I'll start experimenting as well as soon as I get some more T55!
Jane
PS David How nice to see you in a picture! Pictures make discussion more real somehow.
As baby Margot lay sleeping on my lap, I decided to do a quit search on the net. I found a blog of a woman who did an interview with the Parisian baker and she said that he TOLD her that one of his secrets of success for his baguette "tradition" (baguette made with only pure unbleached flour, yeast, water and salt), the one that won the competition, is a long, cold fermentation (up to 24 hrs). And so this all gives me a nice idea for some sourdough baguettes. Since this long, cold fermentation gives big holes in the rye, it should do the same for baguettes, yeast or sourdough. I see all the experiments coming in my kitchen in the next week or so!
Jane
David
David
I really think the poolish is a must, at least for taste! As for the fermentation, that's pretty long for a room temp condition. I wonder what would happen if the dough was cooled and folded a few times during the cool fermentation... hmmmm.
I have wondered about how much is volume during fermentation/proofing and how much is oven spring. Because I always get lots of spring but the holes aren't huge in my baguettes (but then like I said, I've never made them with T55).
I'm grocery shopping tomorrow and I'm going to pick up some T55. I've started a firm starter for the sourdough baguettes that I'll start tomorrow. I'll start the baguettes probably on a poolish tomorrow evening. I looked on the French bakers site and they had some interesting recipes and one for the baguette tradition. I'll have to examine it this evening.I have a Julia Child book, I'll see if her baguettes are in it.
My day is finished! Have a nice day,
Jane