The Fresh Loaf

A Community of Amateur Bakers and Artisan Bread Enthusiasts.

Second whack at @DanAyo's @txfarmer Shredible Sandwich Bread revival

foodforthought's picture
foodforthought

Second whack at @DanAyo's @txfarmer Shredible Sandwich Bread revival

Back in February, when @DanAyo posted about his experiences with an unexpected (by me, anyway) style of enriched sourdough posted by @txfarmer in 2011, I decided to give it a try. My own experience with the formula after quick scans of Danny's and @txfarmer's posts was unsettling, but ultimately produced 2 loaves of a very light, white and shreddable sandwich bread. I had difficulty and no small amount of anxiety with the relatively dry levain, a super wet dough and sluggish gluten development.

With the last slices of the February loaves finally disappearing from the freezer, I thought it was time to revisit the bread. This time I had the patience to thoroughly read through Danny's and @txfarmer's original posts and subsequent comments. Suspicions I had during my first attempt at the bread were confirmed by a more careful reading of the audience dialogues that focused on ambiguities of @txfarmer's original post.

I developed the stiff levain (71% hydration) over 3 12-hour generations starting with 5 grams of my 100% hydration standard starter. My previous attempt resulted in a rather dry, crumbly lump that didn't really change much overnight. This time I hand-kneaded the levain at each generation to ensure complete hydration and the dough rose into surprisingly puffy masses at rest. I'm still a bit uncertain with using milk in a levain destined to 36 hours on the kitchen counter, but I noticed no unusual smells or tastes, so I'm guessing LAB and yeast action are to thank.

Reviewing my notes from the first attempt, I had spotted something that sent me back to the original posts. I had not included the egg whites (24% of flour weight) in my hydration calculation. Dopeslap (facepalm?) time. So I had actually produced a 95% hydration dough. No wonder I never got a windowpane and nearly threw the whole mess out.

This time aroundI let the KitchenAid gently moosh up the levain in most of the formula's milk for a few minutes. Mixing the dough seemed much less unusual and I actually got to a windowpane (though I question whether it was a @txfarmer stage 3 windowpane) after 20 minutes of KitchenAid 2-4-6 thrashing. The dough nearly cleared the bowl in the final minutes.

After 2.5 hours of bulk with 4 sets of coil folds and 17 hours at 37º, I scaled and shaped16 75 gram balls setting them into standard loaf pans in the style of brioches nanterres. The rose nicely over a 4 hour proof at 80º. This in contrast to the 7 hour proof of my 95% hydration first attempt.

I'm still amazed that I accidentally got a decent result with my February 95% hydration dough. The crust on that batch of bread seemed exceptionally crisp but delicate. This current batch has a less crunchy crust, so the excess hydration in the February loaves must have contributed in some way.

A few takeaways

  1. Stiff levain is kind of nice to handle.I t's actually less messy the wetter types.
  2. Egg and egg whites are mostly water. Include 90% of their weight in hydration calculations.
  3. Sourdough levains do not have to always yield chewy, crusty breads.
  4. Re-engineer spreadsheet templates to adjust for levain hydration. Current model hard-coded at 100% levain hydration.
  5. Practice patience. Don't always be in such a hurry. In technology we often took a macho kind of pride to infrequently or never "read the freaking manual". Maybe not a great practice on a first attempt at a new style of bread.
  6. It's all right to totally botch a bread recipe. You learn a lot. And most of the time yeast and gluten will cover your backside.

Comments

Benito's picture
Benito

Very nice bake, beautiful loaves you baked up.  Great lessons to be learned, thanks for sharing your experiences that we can all learn from.

Benny

naturaleigh's picture
naturaleigh

Gorgeous rolls...the height on those is impressive!  It would be great to see your specific formula posted here as I'm sure others would be interested as well.  I was trying to jump back and forth between the 3 posts and it got a little confusing.

"Sourdough levains do not have to always yield chewy, crusty breads."--I agree 100%!  I've got an everyday sourdough roll formula that I bake pretty often, and the rolls turn out light and fluffy (although nowhere near as tall as these).  That recipe calls for 1 whole egg, but I think I may try to use 2 whites next time based on your results and this formula.

Thanks for posting...what a lovely bake!

foodforthought's picture
foodforthought

For Leigh,

Per my interpretation of @txFarmer's original post. I've summarized data in tables for readability.

Levain at 71% hydration. Target 19% of total flour built over 3 12-hour generations. All liquid except 3 g water in original seed starter is milk.

 

 

Seed Starter

Milk

Flour

Levain

Gen 1

6

13

13

32

Gen 2

 

10

30

72

Gen 3

 

57

71

200

Totals

6

80

114

200

Hyd %

71%

 

 

 

Method

  1. Build Levain
  2. Weigh levain, calculate liquid and flour components based on actual yield
  3. Separate whites of 5 eggs, weigh. Assume 90% liquid
  4. Calculate required additional liguid and flours required (@txfarmer specified 50% each AP and Bread)
  5. Brief mix of liquids and levain @ KitchenAid 1 to break up levain
  6. Mix all ingredients except butter @ KitchenAid 2, using paddle for first 2/3, hook for remaining mix
  7. Add room temperature butter
  8. Machine knead @ 2 with hook for 5 minutes, @ 4 for 5 minutes, @6 for 10 minutes
  9. 2.5 hour bulk with 4 coil folds every 30 minutes
  10. Retard overnight at 37º
  11. Divide dough, shape into 75 g balls, place in well greased loaf pans
  12. 4 hour proof at 80º
  13. Bake at 350º for 20 minutes , then 15 minutes more loosely covered with foil
  14. Remove from pans place back on stone in oven for 5 minutes

 

 

txfarmer %

Weight

Flour

100.0%

 

Liquid

73.8%

 

Salt

1.2%

 

Other

22.4%

 

Total

197.4%

 

 

 

 

Dough Target

 

1200

Flour Required

 

608

 

 

 

Levain Actual

 

192

 

 

 

Flours

 

 

Levain Flour (AP)

 

112

AP Flour

 

192

Bread Flour

 

304

Total

 

608

 

 

 

Liquids

73.8%

 

Levain Liquid

 

80

90% Egg Whites

 

131

Additional Milk

 

237

Total

73.8%

448

 

 

 

 

 

 

Other

 

 

Sugar

10.0%

61

Salt

1.2%

7

Egg Whites

24.0%

146

Butter

10.0%

61