Help with lievito madre/pasta madre not tripling
Hello - I've recently been having trouble with my pasta madre for making panettone.
I initially converted it from a very active 100% hydration starter to a 40% stiff starter and it was great, easily tripling in volume in 4 hours but more recently it just hasn't been growing as much. It probably doubles but then stops. I do the refreshment by mixing 50g starter, 50g flour and 20g water and kneading until smooth and bouncy, then roll into a ball and cut a cross. The cross used to fully open out but now it doesn't - it expands a bit but doesn't fully rise up, even though I'm keeping it at 28°C
I've tried both vacuum sealing it overnight to simulate the "binding" that you sometimes see, or putting it in a cold water bath overnight. And also tried the bagnetto sweet water bath in the morning. However none of these seem to make a difference at all.
Does anyone have any advice on how I can diagnose what's going wrong? There seems to be so much different advice out there that it's hard to tell what exactly is wrong.
Probably worth saying I did manage to make a panettone with this madre recently, but the first dough took much longer than expected to rise and the final product I didn't get much oven spring (the top is almost completely flat).
I am in exactly the same position and it is Christmas the day after tomorrow.. Sucks
Hi there,
Did you manage to figure it out in the end?
Thank you!
Ok so yes. I chucked it in the bin!
I then took a handful of raisins and threw them into a glass jar. Added a teaspoon of raw sugar.
Filled it almost to the top with water.. woud have been 1.5 cups.
Put a loose lid on it and let it sit there for a few days until it was brewing and bubbling and all the raisins were swollen and floating towards the top.
Then I did as follows.
Day 1:
1 part Raisin Water : 0.25 parts high protein flour.
Stir and let it sit in a jar with a loose lid.
Day 2:
Take the whole previous mix and add another 0.25 flour (weight based on initial raisin water weight).
Mix and Sit.
Day 3:
Take the whole previous starter and add 0.5 flour (again weight based on initial raisin water weight)
We now have a 1:1 starter.
Day 4 and ever onwards:
Mix 1 part starter : 1 part flour : 0.5 part raisin water
By day 7 you should have a well porportioned and crazy active starter.
Let me see if I can add a picture here...
Happy Baking.
Lookout, it gasses up very quickly.
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I'm glad you've "figured it out"! :)
Wow, this starter looks so healthy! Congratulations and thank you for the recipe, Paolo. Very nice!
Are you still keeping it fed once a day? With raisin water prepared just for that purpose? At what temperature do you keep it?