July 15, 2009 - 11:15am
mixer speeds DLX
Does anyone know what kind of mixer The DLX is i.e. Spiral ; planetary; Oblique or stand . I've assumed it is a stand mixer ( you know what they say about assuming)Also I would like to know what speed range is represented by the lines on the speed indicator.
Does anyone know this info or where to get it? I have not been able to find it so far.
Herb
Is this what you want.:-) qahtan
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Thanks for replying to my query. Unforunately the type of mixer and revolutions for the various speed indicators are not here.This is the kind of info I've been getting.
Jeffrey Hamelman in his book "Bread" gives the names of the mixers without an explanation of each then gives length of mix time on each to achieve what he says is moderate development and then states find out the rpm's of your mixer. An attemt to contact the maker was unsuccessful.
But thanks again for showing me that.
Herb
I had wondered about that myself, liking Hamelman's formulas, and being somewhat obsessive-compulsive. From my experience so far, I have found that setting the DLX knob at "12 o'clock" for first speed and "1 o'clock" for second speed, has worked well. This has produced excellent bread for me in roughly the same time frame that Hamelman describes. YMMV. Hope this helps.
Jessica
Well, you could try asking Jeffrey Hamelman ;-) Send a letter to King Arthur customer service asking that the question be forwarded to Hamelman or one of his trainees. In my experience KA customer service is incredibly helpful.
sPh
Thanks sPh, I tried to find a web site for Jeffery but didn't think about a letter to King A. I will try that.
Herb
Thanks so much Jessica, I'll use this on the next batch. I heard, from the DLX help site that Rose Levy B says it is a spiral mixer. Thanks again.
Herb
Caviar,
I don't usually make negative statements about people who don't understand what they are talking about. That said you should ignore the statements about the DLX not being able to develop gluten. While taking a course at sfbi may inform a person about professional equipment and very high end versions made for small commercial operations and home owners, it does not qualify one to comment on a device he has not mastered ad doesn't understand.
As with most mixers, the DLX is intended to be used at the slowest speed for incorporating ingredients. Once that is accomplished, a 10-15 minute autolyse period will allow the water to be absorbed. A short session at a higher speed will develop gluten regardless of your choice of dough hook or roller. I prefer the hook but both work well.
The Kitchen Aid products being sold today are small under powered copies of a formally great mixer. When Hobart made them they were built to stand up to the needs of a home baker. Today a full bowl of Bagel dough will burn it out in a few minutes. Yes the manual says not to overload the mixer or you can ruin it. For my money they are junk waiting to break. The internet is loaded with stories of people having bad experiences with KA customer service. It's to bad the KA line has proven to be so weak. The decision to use plastic gears might be part of the problem.
Bosch and DLX both make powerful, well engineered mixers. If you think you need a stand mixer I suggest you consider it an investment and purchase one of those.
Eric
I bought a DLX for farmer's market baking, have been using it for about 3 months, and I actually prefer my KA but for the fact that it doesn't have adequate capacity for what I need it to do. My gripe with the DLX is there is that it really doesn't mix big batches very evenly. In particular, there is little vertical agitation. It seems like more of a kneader than a mixer for bigger quantities, and this is after trying pretty much every combination of speed, roller placement, dough hook, and order of adding ingredients.I can get decent results out of it, but it needs almost constant attention to provide it some vertical agitation.
I find it ineresting that neither the KA nor the DLX can handle anywhere near their stated capacities. AT least the DLX doesn't start eating itself when you overload it. From my experience though, 15 lbs of dough won't even fit in the DLX bowl, let alone mix. It is a decent enough mixer I guess, but If we do the market again next year, I'll probably be mixer shopping again.
Nova - this is the statement that got the juices flowing "The DLX, given the "fingerknob" and its rotary motion (like a doughnut hole), can't develop gluten...but a great device for mixing rye doughs."
The DLX definitely develops gluten, just not the same way as other mixers.
Everything has it's tradeoffs. I know that I need about 45 minutes to put together a batch of dough, of which 20 minutes is an autolyze. I find it easier to add ingredients to my DLX than my KA, and my DLX can mix much larger batches. On the other hand my DLX won't do so well with a 1 or 2 loaf batch, which I rarely make.
I normally start with 2500 grams of flour which ends up being just under 10# of finished dough. It handles that without issue. I agree that if you need a professional mixer that's what you should get, but that doesn't mean that other mixers don't work. The speeds you reference, 300 & 600 rpm would concern me about getting the dough above 80*. (The DLX ranges from 40 to 140 rpm)
This is my procedure:
Add all water & oil to mixing bowl set up with roller & scraper
add 75% of flour until it comes together
20 min autolyze
Change out roller for dough hook
Add balance of dry ingredients, (flour last)
Run mixer until dough is smooth and incorporated, and temps <80*. This is usually the full timer of 14 minutes, give or take.
Not sure why you don't think the DLX doesn't do well with small batches. I've made 1 and 2 loaf batches in my DLX, it does just fine. The only reason i don't do it more often is that it is just as easy to make a larger batch, so I usually do.
Russ, I stand corrected and guilty of the same issue that I posted about. I should have said, "I've read that the DLX doesn't do well with small batches, 1-2 loaves, but I have no first hand experience with small of a batch"
My future plans will now include a 500g and 1000g batch and I will post my thoughts and results.
I did mix up my largest batch to date, last nite. I'm making bread and buns to take to the beach in a week. The mixer performed flawlessly, but I will say that I did have to manage the dough to keep it from climbing into the spring loaded arm. Here are my quantities:
3000g flour (1/2 AP, 1/2 Caputo)
1920g water (64%)
18g IDY (.06%)
40g Salt (1.33%)
30g Brown Sugar (1%)
5008 g total or 11.041 pounds. I think I could get to 15#, just to do it, but this was pushing the limits of the bowl/dough hook. (Not the motor)
Hey Toyman, Just wanted to let you know, I'm not offended by what you said, I just wanted to point out that small loaves are not outside the DLX's capabilities. I hope that when you do try out a smaller load that you find, as I have, that the DLX does just fine with those amounts. (for small loads I recommend the roller/scraper, though I have a feeling there are others here who prefer the dough hook even for small batches)
Your big batch sounds great. I've never made one quite so large - it's more than my oven could handle.
Russ, thanks! The big batch turned out great. I ended up with 6-500g loaves and 18 100-g buns. I'm getting more patient and letting my shaped loaves & buns rise a little longer and its working out with a more open crumb and great oven spring. When I bake in my wood fired oven I can comfortably get 6-500g loaves in at a time and approximately 2 dozen buns. If I really need to do large loads, I've done 10 loaves at a time. When I cook in my indoor oven, I can do 3 loaves or a dozen buns.
That being said, for me, a home baker, I don't have an issue spending an hour from start to finish 'processing' my dough, then letting it rise in the fridge for 24 (or so) hours, and then spending another 4-5 hours, rise time included, shaping & baking.