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When to stop kneading

Sour_Baker's picture
Sour_Baker

When to stop kneading

Does it depend on the type of bread?

 When I first started learning about bread you knead until you pass the window test. Now I find out you should not be doing that for sourdough at all.

 Is that for all sourdough, whether enriched, lean, high hydration?

phaz's picture
phaz

I don't knead at all - the dough does it. Others may differ. Enjoy!

Abe's picture
Abe

and the dough ferments long enough then the gluten develops itself. 

https://www.kingarthurbaking.com/recipes/do-nothing-sourdough-bread-recipe

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Sour_Baker

How interesting that you don’t really do anything at all. Fascinating.

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tpassin

It depends on whether you will be doing a long, slow bulk fermentation or not.  If you are going to ferment for 6,8,10+ hours, time will do most of the work - a few stretch and fold sessions early in the bulk ferment will most likely be all you need.  A windowpane test wouldn't be needed at all.

If you are aiming to be done with bulk fermenting in a few hours, there won't be time for this process to work out fully, so you might need to help it by doing more kneading/stretching near the beginning.

Either way, things will go better (and be easier) if you give the dough a rest after initial mixing.  Half and hour seems to be a good length, but at least 15 minutes.  This rest lets the flour hydrate and start developing the gluten.  Afterwards it will be much easier to complete kneading.

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Sour_Baker

Thank you for the information. =)