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Beginner's Luck?

HeiHei29er's picture
HeiHei29er

Beginner's Luck?

Tried a new method on a standard bake for me with the best results so far (on the outside anyway).  Beginner's Luck?  Will have to see if I can repeat it.

When it comes to folds and shaping, I kind of feel like I'm all thumbs.  When to fold?  Which fold to do?  How hard to stretch? How hard to degas? Which pre-shape? Etc.  Skills I need to develop, but I'm not very consistent yet.

I started doing this technique, and it just makes sense to me.  I can feel when the dough starts to change.  So for this bake, I used this technique, but spread it out over 9 hours.  Rather than worrying about how my gluten is holding up and what fold I should do to keep it built up, I just kept slowly developing it as fermentation progressed, and the end of the 4th set was my pre-shape.  From there, the concept follows Dan's Simple Loaf Pan technique.  Place in banneton or pan and let it ferment till 90+% on the aliquot.  You can let it go that long because you fully degassed and punched it down during the 4th set of kneading.  Technique probably won't produce an open, lacy crumb, but I'm usually looking for an airy, sandwich crumb anyway. 

Both of these loaves were for a friend, so no crumb shot.  Asked to have one sent, and will post it if I get it.  By far the best oven spring I've got in both loaves.  Free standing is 15% WW.  Pan loaf is 15% rye.  Formula is for the WW, but just swap out the WW for rye on the other loaf.  I did the exact same method.  Prepared both loaves side-by-side last night.  Friend wanted one free standing and one pan loaf.

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Benito's picture
Benito

Very nicely baked Troy.  The batard opened up nicely, great bloom.  You got great blisters as well.  Looking forward to the crumb photos.

HeiHei29er's picture
HeiHei29er

Thanks Benny.  These were both made for a friend, so not sure I'll get a crumb photo.  Hoping, but anybody's guess.  :-)

GaryBishop's picture
GaryBishop

I'm going to try that kneading technique on my next bake. Your loaves look great. 

HeiHei29er's picture
HeiHei29er

Thanks Gary.  It's very straightforward and works well for me.  My thought process (right or wrong :-)  ) is that rather than developing gluten early and hoping I can keep good structure through fermentation, why not slowly build it through early fermentation and then just leave it alone as fermentation is taking off.  I targeted doing the last set with around 25% on the aliquot jar.  Some puffiness in the dough, but not a lot yet.  Use that as pre-shape, and then shape it and leave it alone until it's ready to bake.  Very similar to Dan's Simple Pan bakes.  Will see if the results are repeatable.

Kistida's picture
Kistida

Very gorgeous loaves. 🤤

Benito's picture
Benito

I agree, Troy is a quick study.