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Vollkornbrot I: The Slicing (cont).

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Vollkornbrot I: The Slicing (cont).

Center slice

The photo on the left is after I sliced off a 1/4" heel. The on on the right is a center slice.

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hreik

has appeared.  Please try again.

hester

p.s. a musical score photo is by you handle but no bread photo

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 Center slice

On the left, after I sliced off the heal. On the right, a center slice.

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lepainSamidien

That looks like a mighty nourishing and hearty-hardy brot ; the vollkornbrot will always retain a privileged place in my heart, and your loaf brings back some delightful memories. Congratulations and enjoy !

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badotz

thanks so much - vollkornbrot is but a toe-dipping into the World of Wry :-)

I have a vision...

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hreik

It's lunchtime where I am (New England) and I was going to do something else b/f eating, but seeing that loaf, I don't know if I can wait.... lol


Beautiful!  how does it taste?

hester

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but I like it. The homemade rye chops are a bit too toothsome, and it needs more salt, but the rye/sourdough flavor is there. I expect that to become more forward in a few days.

It's delicious if I run it through the lowest toaster setting - warm and fragrant. Damn, that is good!

Thanks for the praise - I'm in SoCal and it's just barely time for a 2nd cup of mud!

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hreik

So, I went back to your original post to reread the recipe.  I note the soaker for the rye chops isn't hot. 

I make a version of a multi-grain multi-flour bread which has cracked rye.  For the cracked rye only, i make sure that the it is soaked the night before in very hot or boiling water.  It adds flavor and depth to the loaf, without threat of cracking an old (me) tooth.   The cracked rye is sort of partly cooked, but definitely softened by the hot or boiling water.  You cannot identify the rye in the loaf by sight, which you can do w the flax, sesame and sunflower. 


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badotz

soak the chops in hot water, hrek, is I read - somewhere - in a vollkornbrot recipe, that doing so caused the chops to "weep" into the bread as it baked, causing it to remain gloppy. So I soaked 'em in cold water.

But heck, I know nothing, and am willing to try anything, so next time: hot-soaked chops!

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hreik

Attaching pics of my recent 3 flour, 4 grain bread.  I used, cracked rye, not chops, so that might be the difference.  but here are the pics. There shouldn't be a problem just using hot hot water.  Just separate the chops from the other ingredients to be soaked and at least double (by weight) the amount of hot water to chops.

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badotz

do I drain the soaker?

Really good-looking bread, hrek.

hreik's picture
hreik

is Hester and I often forget to post.  No, don't drain and in my case, you won't have to because the cracked rye has absorbed all of the water.  Just make sure to subtract that amount of water from somewhere in your calculations, probably from the other soaker.


Good luck

hester

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badotz

Good-looking bread, hrek!

I used my Vita-Mix to break into the rye berries (not sure if they were chopped or cracked).

Does it matter, chopped vs cracked? Less dust?

Where does one buy rye chops? I've seen rolled rye berries, kinda thick with a grooved exterior, like tiny gnocchi - would they be a substitute?

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hreik

have complained for a while that they cannot find rye chops.  At the bottom of this message, I'll provide a link to that discussion:  Here's one post from it:

 

Hamelman differentiates between cracked rye and rye chops (and rye flakes are definitely different, as is rye malt).  He says that rye chops have been chopped (presumably with a blade or something sharp), whereas cracked rye has been cracked with a roller.  Rye chops can be used in a cold soaker, but if you sub cracked rye, it doesn't absorb water as well, so you have to use hot water for your soaker.  Rye flakes (or any flaked grain) have been steamed and then rolled, which gelatinizes the starch and is a very different creature.  Malted rye, as mentioned above, has been allowed to germinate, then dried (and sometimes toasted).  You can then crack it in the roller mill that most brew stores use.  I assume this will absorb water better than cracked rye, due to the enzymatic action of germination, but I am not sure how much better.  For brewing applications, the water is added hot (usually around 150F) and allowed to steep for about an hour to convert and remove all of the sugars in the malt.

 I am am pretty sure malted rye still has active enzymes, so that is something you might want to be careful about.  If you put it in an overnight soaker, you might find that the starch has all been converted to sugars.  You might want to heat it above 170 to deactivate the enzymes, or only allow it a short time in the soaker to avoid that.

 

Link:http://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/1848/where-find-rye-chops

hester

 

p.s. From the rye council

Cracked Rye or Rye Chops

Rye chops are the rye equivalent of cracked wheat  or steel-cut oats. That is to say, the whole kernel (the rye berry) is cracked or cut into a few pieces that are quicker to cook than the completely intact rye berry.

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dabrownman

for 10 minutes and then let them sit on the counter for 24 hours.  No weeping then.  Tight around the edges and bottom but more open in the middle means what?  Folks in the know can chime in.  I would eat piece after piece of this bread till it was gone or I was done in. Well done and happy baking 

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badotz

that good. Slightly warmed in the toaster, a shmear of butter - heaven!

Thanks for the tip about the scalding - when I make the next loaf, I'll try all the suggestions from y'all at TFL, and I'll post the results. It's gonna take awhile to make my way through this bad boy, though...

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PalwithnoovenP

I wish I could taste your bread! Looks so scrumptious!

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cgmeyer2

i purchase my rye chops from king arthur flour to use in pumpernickel and rye breads.

http://search.kingarthurflour.com/search?w=rye%20chops

 

hope this helps, claudia

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Maverick

That looks like it would be AMAZING toasted. Well done. Glad the lack of docking didn't matter.