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Lucy Bakes Her New Favorite Sourdough Rye

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Lucy Bakes Her New Favorite Sourdough Rye

Borodinsky bread was being baked long before the Battle of Borodino that supposedly led to its name and way before the Commies in Russia decided to standardize the recipe to make sourcing the ingredients for the bread much easier.  When the Soviet government says this is the way this bread is to be made then that is it – no variants or options allowed.  Free people don’t live like that of course.

Sprouted rye

Nothing wrong with this bread but it sure could be better – much better….at least according to Lucy at any rate.  She found the 80% rye, 20% wheat, 85% hydration recipe with beet molasses and coriander a bit boring.  So she has been working on a better version that suits her crazy bread attitude and weird way of making any kind of bread really.

Aprouted wheat

Hanseata got her hooked on a mixture of bread spices, Mini Oven got her hooked on walnuts and altus in high percent rye breads and Andy hooked her on prunes.   She didn’t have any prunes, at least not ones she could find as easy as black mission figs, so they subbed for the prunes.  If I have a bottle of Boulder Beer’s Chocolate Shaker Porter, it is going in the rye mix every time – regardless of what Lucy says – well at least most of the time.

That is a lot of add ins

So this is a 75% whole grain rye and 25% whole grain red and white wheat with 37.5% of the grains sprouted.  We kept the overall hydration at 85% with the levain water and dough liquid the Chocolate Porter with 2% salt. 

Way too small for the pan.

We 5% red rye malt and 3% each molasses and barley malt syrup with another.  The toasted and lightly ground seeds were 6% with half being caraway and the other half equally split between fennel, coriander and anise.  The walnuts and mission figs were 20% each and the altus was 25%

It rose about 50% before the pepitas went on.

The 15% pre-fermented bran levain was made from 10 g of NMNF rye starter that was at least 20 weeks old.  It was a 2 stager over 18 hours.  Then we did a 3rd stage of the malt, molasses and barley malt syrup and another 15% pre-fermented high extraction rye and wheat at 100% hydration that was left to sit until it rose 25% as the dough flour and porter were autolyzed for 1 hour with the pink Himalayan sea salt sprinkled on top.

Once the now 30% pre-fermented levain hit the mix we did 30 slap and folds with wet hands followed by 2 more sets of 6 slap and folds – all on 20 minute intervals.  Then we did 3 sets of 6 slap and folds to incorporate all the add ins and get them evenly distributed.  Then we let the dough sit for an hour before panning it in the oriental Pullman that was way too big or it.

Now that is some fine corn bread

We did dome the top with a wet spatula to give it some shape and then let it sit for 4 hours when it did very little proofing for some reason.  It was very slow and we were getting restless but we were patient at least at first and then Lucy started biting my ankles before I realized it was almost time to feed the poor beast.

 

We then remembered we were drying some red and white malted wheat to make into diastatic white malt.  So that took a half an hour to get out of the dehydrator and milled into the malt we like.  We then fired up the oven to 425 F preheat and plopped on the squash seeds to gussy up the top if the dough.  In another half an hour the oven was ready and we dropped the covered pan in the oven - 5 hours after it hit the pan.

Lets have a salad to go with that home made Okinaowan Spicy Shrimp Soba with Habanero

 

 We turned the oven down to 400 F when the bread went in for 15 minutes and then another 25 minutes at 365 F. before we removed the lid to end the steaming.   Another 20 minute later and bread was done at 205 F just like Mini Says to do in her famous post here http://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/33328/minis-100-dark-rye-chia-recipe-love-104-hydration  Can’t go wrong with anything Mini says about rye bread.  I call her the master rye bread baker but she yells at me for that!  So much for trying to be nice to the ladies:-)

This bread didn’t spring much but it didn’t collapse either – yea!  So there is hope it isn’t a brick either.  I can't tell you how powerfully good this bread is - but you don't want to meat it in a dark alley without a bread knife.  it slices so easily a quarter of an inch thick without effort.  The taste is incredible.  No wonder Lucy says this is her new favorite bread!

 

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Danni3ll3's picture
Danni3ll3

which means it is gorgeous and good for you too. I can't wait to see the crumb. Those pepitas on the tip sure add to the allure of this loaf!

dabrownman's picture
dabrownman

pine nuts she put on her bread so something has to go on the top.  Mini also puts nuts in her rye bread too - such a horrible influence.....The crumb should be revealed tonight sometime but the bread crust has softened as is sits under plastic wrap to redistribute the moisture inside.

Keep your fingers crossed and happy baking 

Ru007's picture
Ru007

Looks like this is another super packed loaf :) it looks beautiful!

Altus is just bread from another loaf right? Which loaf did you use? How does the altus affect the loaf? What type of bread works best? Sorry for all the questions, but the idea really fascinates me and I'd like to try it! 

Can't wait for that crumb shot! 

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dabrownman

Mandella Challenge bread here

http://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/46378/nelson-mandela-challenge-bread

one of favorite rye breads that had the dried red cherries and pistachios in it with lots of other stuff.  This was heel piece I saved in the freezer just for altus.  I soaked it in some water frozen till it thawed out then crumbled it up.  It was nice and moist but not dripping and the weight listed was the wet weight.  I like to use a similar bread to the one I am making.  Since it is already baked it has way more caramelized flavor than putting in more flour.  It is a flavor enhancer plus is helps to keep the crumb a bit moister and a great way to get rid of stale bread too even though this wasn't stale at all.  A great way to recoup some of the cost of stale bread in a bakery for sure and still make better bread  - another two'fer and both and solution.  We have another 12 hours to wait on the crumb shot.

Happy baking Ru007

 

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Ru007

Does it only work with rye breads or does anything go?

I also hate food waste, so it'll be a nice way to use up bits of bread that have been hanging around in the freezer for a while. 

Thanks for the info Dab :)

dabrownman's picture
dabrownman

since they have more flavor.  Just get them wet and moosh (my favorite cooking term) them up.   I make croutons with the un-crusted left over crumb.

Ru007's picture
Ru007

LOL! 

Thanks Dab, i'll be sure to try this. 

The crumb on you loaf looks really really good. It looks so moist and tender, yum! 

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lepainSamidien

That looks like one large brick of deliciousness. Love the ambitiousness of all of the add-ins. And the pepita roof provides a unique and beautiful touch whose taste must compliment the honey sweetness of the rest of the bread.

Looking forward to yours and Lucy's next crazy concoction, as always !

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dabrownman

this would be one to worry about possible brickitis for sure.  Lucy was saying she told me to put some YW in there but she didn't get any out of the fridge and I am way to lazy to do it - plus there would be no reason to keep her around as a baking apprentice 2nd class if I did everything.

Glad you like the bread - the crumb shot will show up eventually.

Happy baking 

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pmccool

That should be one tasty loaf, dab. 

Paul

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dabrownman

This is one seriously tasty bread.  I wanted to bake a rye in tribute to Stan's new book that he worked so hard on for the rest of us and this one turned out great.

Glad you liked it Paul and happy baking   

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BXMurphy

Hi, dabrownman!

I SWEAR I read one of your posts from a year or so ago where you wrote that putting beer (or anything) besides water into the bread to up the flavor was better left to drinking on its own.

I really have to believe that the chocolate porter added a little something, something to that delicious bread you just made there. Even if just emotionally... :)

You know I love your posts. The bread must be to die for. And the salad? How come you didn't smoke it like a fine brisket? Which reminds me... I should go figure out how to make corned beef...

Murph

dabrownman's picture
dabrownman

exception to the rule.  There isn't a lot of taste that comes through with a powerful whole grain bread like this but the color is worth wasting it on the bread alone.

I've smoked heads of Romaine for a salad and it wasn't too bad at all.  Have ribs coming out of the smoker in 20 minutes and I prefer them to Romaine by a wide margin.

I really love to cure and smoke corned beef - even better than pastrami in my book and a good thing to learn how to do. like beer, bread and wine making .........not necessarily in that order.  I am a true believer in Lucy's favorite saying.......

The way to man's heart is to buy him beer, make him beer or be a beer.  And bread is just sorta solid beer without the kick.

Happy baking Murph 

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BXMurphy

Hah! Even better than Dale Carnegie's "How to Win Friends and Influence People." :)

I'm not surprised to learn that you smoked up a salad. Why not? EVERYTHING tastes better with a little smoke on it. Have you done a dough yet?

Murph

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BXMurphy

Hah! Even better than Dale Carnegie's "How to Win Friends and Influence People." :)

I'm not surprised to learn that you smoked up a salad. Why not? EVERYTHING tastes better with a little smoke on it. Have you done a dough yet?

Murph

dabrownman's picture
dabrownman

but a Fresh Lofian from Kuala Lumpur (evonlim) smoked some flour and then I did too and think Ian might have as well.  I didn't like it very much.  You need to add in white malt after smoking since the heat denatures the enzymes in the flour.  I prefer smoked meats on un-smiked floured bread - with a beer or three:-)

'Happy baking Muroh

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Isand66

Another amazing bake DA and Lucy!  The crumb looks fantastic and perfect. I thought that cornbread was a cheesecake at first :).

I made a rye earlier in the week I have to post soon but nothing like this masterpiece.

Happy Baking!

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dabrownman

is just as nice.  I made a pineapple upside down cake this week that looked a bit like the cornbread and the cornbread was for the chili with beans - sorry Texas - didn't take any pictures of it though.

Glad you liked the post Ian and we can't wait for your post.  Lucy sends her best to the East Coast pack of furry ones.

Happy baking 

 

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Runnerfemme

I just read this thread soup to Chilean pine nuts.  Love.

And Dabrownman, I am with you on the meats.  I do long/overnight cooks for pork shoulder, beef, ribs,,, Funny part is, I don't eat the stuff.  But the Hubbin? He dies for the stuff.  For our 4th of July party, I smoked about 30 pounds of pork shoulder and cooked too much other food even to start typing..  What do you use as a smoker?

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dabrownman

one of our favorite breads to make.  Lucy would want to pumpernickel it, low and slow, though :-)

We seem to smoke something around here every week one way or another - but we do eat it all:-)  I have the cheapest analog Masterbuilt 30" electric smoker.  For 30 years I had a cheap bullet water smoker that made the best smoked meats but it was such a hassle to keep the coals going all the time. As i got older, I got lazier than most and this 'keeping the coals going' was way  too much like work.  Now that I have modified the electric smoker so I can cold smoke at 140 F and generate more smoke at 225 F it now makes good BBQ with no hasssles.  I use a mix of hickory and walnut wood for pork,  a mix of oak, and pecan for beef and apple and pecan for fowl and toss in some citrus wood with the apple for fish.  

Happy Baking and Smoking  

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alfanso

I can make my own, even if this is way over my head.  Send me the Okinaowan Spicy Shrimp Soba.  Great post, and stop already.  It is before noon as I'm reading this and already getting hungry for dinner.  I've got buckwheat sobas in the pantry right now, and with the wife visiting her folks up north, no concrete dinner plans yet.  Hmm.  What to do, what to do, what to do...

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dabrownman

stock is so much faster and easier to make than pork stock for soba  or beef stock for pho.  I do mix in some chicken stock with the fish stock though to round out the flavor if using just shrimp stock though. Thank goodness for bonito flakes and kombu too! The fun part is making the noodles. I enjoy all the food I like, that she doesn't, while,the wife is away :-)  I mean..... how can you miss her if she won't go away...now and again!

Good luck with the soup Alan and happy baking