October 26, 2007 - 3:32pm
Clarifiying matters about ovens
Hello I just joined this wonderful site a couple of weeks ago and keep on making new discoveries all the time. Thanks for sharing all your experiences.
I'm interested in buying a small scale commercial oven and want to understand how different ovens work. I understand proffesional ovens are convection ovens. How does this work exactly? I know what convection is - hot air rising and transferring with it the heat higher up. But what is the difference between a commercial/proffesional convection oven and a home electric oven? Doesn't any oven that has a heating element at its bottom heat at least partially by convection? What is the main strength of a commercial oven?
Thanks
Ivri
Wow, I mechanical engineering question, I hope I can answer it clearly. So to define the question, you would like to know what is the difference between standard and convention ovens, also you want to know what would be the difference with home and professional ovens.
So for the first question. All oven "technically" operate with convection. The word convention just refers the manner in which heat moves from the coils to the food. More specifically, heat convection is the transfer of heat by a fluid, the fluid in this case is of course air.
In a standard home electric oven there is a heating coil located in the bottom of the oven, a current is passed through this coil and it gets hot. This causes the air surrounding the coil to heat up and become less dense, and less dense air rises, further causing the denser cold air to fall torward the coil and heat up and the cycle continues. This is called "natural convection", because the motion of the air is caused solely by the heat.
Ovens referred to as "convection" ovens would be more properly called "forced convection" ovens. These ovens usually have no coil on the bottom, but a coil in the back, behind of the oven's chamber, and has a fan further behind the coil. The fan forces air to pass over the coil, which is where "force convection" comes from. This is a far more efficient method for getting heat from the heating coil to the oven's chamber. It is also undoubtedly better at keeping the temperature within the oven's chamber more uniform than a standard oven, e.g. Even heating!!!
As far as "professional" ovens. I don't really know much difference except I'm sure pro ovens have better ceramic materials in the heating coils to last longer, they're bigger to hold more food, and more insulation. I think pro pizza ovens have a lot of heavy ceramic materials that form the bottom of the ovens. Maybe someone else can shed better light on this.
demegrad
http://www.demegrad.blogspot.com
Thanks Demegrad for the useful information.
What exactly does the ceramic do for the heating coils and for the bottom of the ovens?
Ivri
I picked up a used Hobart electric convection oven with the boiler unit. Great price and it is insulated too.
I didn't even think to ask about power requirements, I knew it would be a 220 setup which we run everywhere here on our farm. But as you stated the ovens are 3 phase like this one I have, but I know where to get 2 phase models now (or is it 1 phase).
Plus it's a little big but that isn't a problem.
Even better, now we have a new gas well on the property so we can look at gas ovens too.
Now I just have to sell the Hobart ;)
Hi,
You might want to check out this site: http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/appl/
They get all sorts of appliance questions. I own a 48" Viking Dual Fuel Convection range and I love it. When we were looking for a range we were told that you cannot put a commercial range in your home. The powerful ranges made for residential use has more insulation. We just wanted something without all the electronics. We looked at Wolf, Viking, and I think Monogram by GE and the Viking was the only one without electronics other than the burners.
Elaine
A friend did the same thing you did. And there are options. Options that are less expensive than getting another oven.
The first option is to look into getting three phase run to your home. Honestly, that will probably be cost prohibitive, but asking the electric company and your electrican is free.
Next, look into a phase inverter or three phase converter. It will take your 220vac and turn it into three phase. They are reasonably priced and last a long, long time.
Finally, look into re-wiring the oven for single phase. The heating coils don't care if they are fed with single or three phase electricity. It's usually pretty easy to rewire the oven. That's what my friend did. It took somewhat longer for the oven to warm up, but it held temperature just fine.
Mike
Wow Mike, what a great resource you have provided! This gives me so much more to work with and with all the electricians on the farm I'm sure we'll be able to work something out.
I didn't know you were the author of the Sourdough home, a resource I have sampled much in the past. Though my first visit was because I was setting up Apache myself ;)
Thanks again, and I'll be sure to let you know how it works out.