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dmsnyder

Some foods are great made with a variety of breads - different but all good. Some foods really call for a specific type of bread. Cracked Dungeness crab just is wrong IMO without San Francisco Sourdough. You probably have your own biases. Well, another of mine is that Cabbage Borscht is "right" only with a dark rye bread.

David

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HeiHei29er

My wife made pumpkin bars this weekend, and she told me to use up the rest of the puree.  So...  New bread experiment time!

I used the recipe from wassisname as a starting point: https://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/35177/pumpkin-sourdough

I didn't have any pumpkin seeds handy, so I went with raisins instead and added a little cinnamon and nutmeg.  Recipe below is for two loaves.

My raisin YW using date syrup as part of the refresh has been working very well and didn't disappoint this time either.  I have been combining YW and SD in the levain prep quite a bit this summer with good results.  The YW and mother culture are straight from the refrigerator.  I am seeing a lot of carbon dioxide evolution when I mix the acidic starter with the YW.  The drop in pH causes the dissolved gas to come out of solution.  You can see the layer of carbon dioxide foam just after mixing.  The levain was allowed to ferment at 73-74 deg F for 11 hours.  It over doubled in volume.

 

Raisins were put in the puree and refrigerated overnight to re-hydrate.  Cinnamon and nutmeg added to that as well.  Combined puree with final mix water in the morning and then combined that with the levain before adding in flour.  Dough came together nicely and was not sticky.  5 sets of bowl kneading after autolyse to develop gluten (roughly 60 mins to complete from end of autolyse) and then into the proofing box at 76 deg F.

Dough increased roughly 75% in bulk and then divide and pre-shape.  Shaped in a boule after bench rest and then back into proofing box at 76 deg F.  Moved to Cold Retard after 75 mins because I had to make lunch.  In cold retard for approximately 3 hours.  Pre-heat oven to 450 deg F for 1 hour.  Misted both doughs with water and scored delicately to try and get that "pumpkin" look after oven spring (this is part of where I went wrong but more on that in a minute).  Doughs into my Granite Ware roaster and a few more squirts of water to help with moisture.  450 deg with lid on and 425 deg with if off.  Final internal temp at 205 deg and nothing sticking to probe when removed. 

Not frisbees but didn't really have any spring/bloom, which surprised me based on how well bulk and final proof went.

 

When I removed the doughs from cold retard, I noticed both had large openings in the seam at the center of the dough.  Neither were there when I put them in the banneton.  I checked because I've had a few boules do that too me lately when I tried to proof them seam side down for a natural bloom.  I wasn't too worried about it because both of these would be seam side down for the bake.  However, when I sliced the loaf, I think I see why that decision, combined with the light scoring, killed any oven spring.  It looks like all my gases went down instead of trying to go up through the scoring.  Lesson learned!  I do need to figure out what I'm doing wrong with my boule shaping though...  Didn't get pictures of the second loaf as I gave it to a friend, but it had the same hole in the center after final proof and the same profile and lack of spring after baking.

 

Flavor and texture on the bread were very nice.  Loaf was quite heavy, and it probably could have baked another 5-10 minutes.  Toasted it with some butter and raspberry jam.  Good stuff!

 

 

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gavinc

I was prompted to make a time lapse of my sourdough during the oven spring. This is the start of the bake condensed into 37 seconds. Sorry about the background reflection, but you’ll get the gist. They are 750-gram oval loaves, Vermont sourdough with 10% whole wheat.

You can view the video on my YouTube https://youtu.be/c90Yqi3gLBE

Cheers,

Gavin

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Gluten-free Gourmand

 

I've been handing this recipe around in various places and I thought I'd share here too, where I originally got the idea. Special thanks to Mariana who helped me find the original post about this (linked at the bottom of the post).

The traditional way to create a starter can take a few weeks to a month to have a usable culture. Some science-minded bakers have figured out a way to accelerate the process to have a viable and very beautiful tasting culture in just 3-7 days. Using heat and hydration it’s possible to speed up the fermentation to get through the “bad bacteria” phase in just 48 hours, leaving you a usable culture on the third day with some luck. I created my starter on a Tuesday and I baked with it on that Friday with great results.

 

I first came across this method in a post on The Fresh Loaf by the contributor Ars Pistorica, AKA Ian Lowe of Apiece Bakery in Tasmania. I’ve been using this method ever since I first read about it in 2013. He uses whole wheat and/or rye. It’s not the only way to accelerate the first stages of creating a starter, but this is how I’ve adapted this method to various gluten-free grains. Use whole grain, freshly milled flour if possible. The method can be used for almost any kind of flour, including roots like potato or cassava flour (though I haven't tested this). Teff is the absolute best, but it’s expensive so I usually use sorghum. I tried millet for the first time this time around and it turned out amazing to my surprise.You need some way to keep the culture at a consistent temperature for 24 hours at a time. I use a seedling heat mat, but a yogurt machine or a large insulated jug or cooler filled with water at the correct temperature also works.   

 

 Step 1: In a plastic gallon bag or in a large silicone bag mix: 50g flour, 100g spring water  Temp:40°C/104°fLay these directly on the seedling mat or immerse in warm water and keep heated to a constant temperature for 24 hours. 


Step 2:  The culture may smell anywhere from mildly funky to really, really bad. This is normal.Add to the bag and mix in as best you can: 50g flour  Temp:35°c/95°fIf it’s so thick it’s hard to mix, you can add about 80g spring water. I usually do this for sorghum starters.Lay the bag on a cooling rack over the seedling mat or immerse in warm water and keep heated at a constant temperature for 24 hours.
   Step 3:  Mix the contents of the bag thoroughly before extracting some for your culture. In a clean, sanitized glass jar, mix: 5g culture (from step 2), 50g flour, 40-60g spring water  Temp:30°c/86°fKeep at a consistent temperature for 24 hours. Placing the jar on a cooling rack over the seedling mat is usually about right for this step. My recommendations based on experience is:40g water for: millet (80% hydration) 60g water for: sorghum, teff (120% hydration) 50g water for: most other flours (100% hydration) or if you don’t know you can start with this and see how it goes. The mixture should have the consistency of a pancake batter. Do not use the rest of the discard - just dispose of it. You may use the discard from step 4 onward if it smells good. Step 4 (and until you retire it):  5g starter from previous day’s mix, 50g flour, 40-60g spring water, Temp: Room temp or up to 27°c/81°f  Feed the starter by mixing in a new jar every 24 hours. You may now keep the starter at room temp if you like. You may have to adjust feeding amount and starter amount based on your climate and schedule. This schedule is feeding every 24 hours at 1:10:10, but if you like feeding 1:1:1 every 12 hours you may convert it to that schedule. Don't feed less than 1:1:1 or more than 1:20:20. Starter should not peak until after 12 hours. If it is peaking sooner, reduce the amount of starter you use to inoculate. When I'm not expecting to bake I might halve the amount of everything, or if I want to have more starter I double or triple everything as needed.     Links:     TFL original post (in comments) by ars pistorica: https://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/31790/sourdough-starter-lifeless#comment-242106TFL trial by hungryscholar: https://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/38991/ars-pistorica-0-starter-3-daysBlog post: https://glutenfreegourmand.blogspot.com/2021/10/sourdough-starter-ready-to-use-in-3-7.html
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Danni3ll3

I grow peppers in pots on the south side of the house. With the hot dry weather if this summer, I ended up with a bumper crop of beautiful red sweet peppers. I chopped them up in small pieces and dried them in a dehydrator. I remember reading here that drying and rehydrating fruits or vegetables enhanced their flavour. So along with minced garlic, shredded Parmesan, dried parsley and some olive oil, this should be one tasty bread. I’ll have to wait for my friends to let me know as I sold out completely. 

 

 

Recipe

Makes 3 loaves

 

Porridge 

100 g rolled oats

200 g water

 

Add-ins

25 g dehydrated sweet peppers (chopped in small pieces)

25 g hot water 

30 g olive oil

150 g shredded Parmesan 

1 tbsp dried parsley 

2 tsps minced garlic in oil

 

Dough

700 g unbleached flour

200 g freshly milled whole grain Spelt flour (200 g Spelt berries)

100 g freshly milled whole grain Durum flour (100 g Durum berries)

700 g water

22 g salt

30 g yogurt

250 g levain (procedure in recipe)

Extra wholegrain flour of your choice for feeding the levain

 

The night before:

  1. Mill the grains and place in a tub. Add the unbleached flour to the tub as well. Cover and set aside.
  2. Soak the dehydrated peppers in the 25 g of water overnight. 
  3. Take 10 g of refrigerated starter and feed it 20 g of water and 20 g of wholegrain flour. Let that rise at cool room temperature for the night. 

 

Dough Making day:

1. Early in the morning, feed the levain 100 g of filtered water and 50 g of strong baker’s flour and 50 g wholegrain flour. Let rise until doubled (About 5 hours, mine was ready in 4 and a half). 

2. About two hours before the levain is ready, put 700 g of water in a stand mixer’s bowl and add the flours from the tub.  Mix on the lowest speed until all the flour has been hydrated. This takes a couple of minutes. Autolyse for a couple of hours at room temperature. 

3. Make the porridge: Add the water to the rolled oats and cook on medium heat until the liquid is absorbed and porridge is very thick and creamy. 

4. Once the autolyse is done and the levain has doubled, add the salt, the yogurt, the porridge, the soaked peppers, the rest of the add-ins, and the levain to the bowl. Mix on the lowest speed for a minute to integrate everything, then mix on the next speed for 9 minutes.

5. Remove the dough from the mixing bowl and place in a lightly oiled covered tub. Let rest 45 minutes in a warm spot (oven with light on). 

6. Do 2 sets of coil folds at 45 minute intervals and then 1 more set after 30 minutes. Let rise about 30%. This took only another 45 minutes or so. I’m finding that my bulk fermentation is done after about 3 hours on average. It’s a bit difficult to gauge because I do 4 batches in succession and the first couple of batches do get some extra fermentation time. 

7. Tip the dough out on a bare counter, sprinkle the top with flour and divide into portions of ~845g. Round out the portions into rounds with a dough scraper and let rest 30 minutes on the counter. 

8. Do a final shape by flipping the rounds over on a lightly floured counter. Gently stretch the dough out into a circle. Pull and fold the third of the dough closest to you over the middle. Pull the right side and fold over the middle and do the same to the left. Fold the top end to the center patting out any cavities. Finally stretch the two top corners and cross over each other in the middle. Roll the bottom of the dough away from you until the seam is underneath the dough. Cup your hands around the dough and pull towards you, doing this on all sides of the dough to round it off. Finally spin the dough to make a nice tight boule.

9. Sprinkle a  mix of rice flour and all purpose flour in the bannetons. Place the dough seam side down in the bannetons. Let rest for a few minutes on the counter and then put to bed in a cold (38F) fridge overnight.

 

Baking Day

1. The next morning, about 12-13 hours later, heat the oven to 475F with the Dutch ovens inside for 45 minutes to an hour. Turn out the dough seam side up onto a cornmeal sprinkled counter. Place rounds of parchment paper in the bottom of the pots, and carefully but quickly place the dough seam side up inside. 

2. Cover the pots and bake the loaves at 450 F for 25 minutes, remove the lids, and bake for another 20 minutes at 425 F. Internal temperature should be 205 F or more.

 

The aroma put out by these loaves is amazing!

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Benito

You might recall that I made homemade miso that completed its 1 year fermentation in August.  I finally got around to using it in a sourdough bread.  I’ve made miso sourdough with various inclusions in the past but hadn’t made one in some time now.

Overnight stiff levain cool room temperature

In the morning dissolve miso, salt and levain in water.  Then add flours and mix to shaggy mass.  

Fermentolyse.  Rest 30 mins Added 15 g holdback water

Slap and fold to good gluten formation.  600 done

Rest 30 mins.

 

Bench letterfold, remove two aliquot of doughs for pH and rise jars.  rest 30 mins.

 

sets of coil folds every 30 mins when dough relaxes x 3-4 as needed.

When the pH reached 4.52 and the rise was 50% the dough was shaped and placed in a banneton.

The dough was left to ferment further until a pH of 4.24 and a rise of 90% was achieved.  The dough was then placed in a 3ºC refrigerator overnight.

The next morning the oven was preheated to 500ºF with a cast iron skillet and baking steel in place.

 

My plan was to try a 5 minute score.  I’ve outlined what that is In this post. And have included a time lapse video in that post.  

 

The dough was placed without scoring on parchment and placed into the oven without steam.  The temperature was dropped to 450ºF and the dough was baked for 5 mins.  After 5 minutes the dough was removed from the oven and scored.  The dough was placed back into the oven and boiling water was added to a pan with a Sylvia towel in it and into the cast iron skillet.  It was baked with steam at 450ºF for 20 mins.  The oven was then vented and the steaming pan and skillet were removed.  The loaf was then baked for another 20 mins at 425% rotating to ensure an even bake.

 

On reflection of this bake, the bloom was less than stellar and I believe that two or three things might have improved this.  Shorten the 5 mins to 4 mins of initial baking without steam.  Score more deeply.  Peel back the scored crust just a bit so that it doesn’t immediately reattach to the sticky exposed dough.

 

Another thing I don’t like is the off colour of the crust.  Despite brushing off as much of the rice flour as possible, much of it stuck and caused as off colour to the crust that I’m not fond of.

 

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trailrunner


With a few alterations in method and hydration.

645g T 65

465g  filtered water

13g salt

heaping  1/4 tsp ADY

mixed on “1” for 5 min KA. Room temp 3 hrs. Placed outside on patio at 50 degrees 9 pm- 8 am. Removed from container beautiful gluten strands had quadrupled. Floured counter folded four four sides in rounded and placed in heavily floured clothlined banneton. Let rise 2 hrs refrigerator for 90 min preheated Le Creuset 450- 30 min. Turned out loaf onto parchment. Baked covered 30 min and uncovered 25 min. Perfection , the crumb is like a croissant as far as form. Soft and very light with a shattering rich crust. Have more experiments in the future. 

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Benito

This is the first time I’m using this much whole wheat in this type of bread.  I’m hoping that I can still achieve that tender shreddable crumb despite the whole wheat.  My previous bake at 25% was excellent so I’m hopeful for this one.  I’m hoping that I can get the whole grain up to 75-80%, I’d be happy with that.

For one loaf 9x4x4” Pullman pan

 

Ingredients

 

Sweet Stiff Starter 

• 53g bread flour 

• 24g water 

• 18g light brown sugar 

• 18g sourdough starter ~100% hydration 

 

Tangzhong classic 1:5 ratio

• 89g milk (adjusted down to 1:5 ratio from original)

• 18g Whole Wheat flour   

 

Dough Dry Ingredients 

• (163g) bread flour or 133 g and use 30 g to mix with butter

      · 188 g whole wheat        

• 54g sugar

• 7g salt 

 

Dough Wet Ingredients 

• 159g milk 

• 59g egg beaten (about 1 ⅕ of a large egg)

• 60g butter softened but do not melt, unless you are mixing with the mixer then melt.  Combine with 30 g of flour to make easier to add to dough if hand mixing.

 

Total flour = 431 g

 

Total weight 915 g

 

Pre-bake Wash 

• 1 egg beaten

• 1 Tbsp milk

 

Post-bake Wash 

• 1 Tbsp butter

 

Instructions

Starter 

Mix the starter ingredients in a jar or pyrex container with space for at least 50% growth. (See gallery where 150ml grows to approximately 225ml.)

Press down with your knuckles to create a uniform surface and to push out air.

At room temperature, it typically takes 7-9 hours for this sweet stiff levain to be at peak.

Tangzhong 

In a sauce pan set on med-low heat, whisk the milk and flour until blended. Then cook for several minutes until thickened, stirring regularly with a spoon or heat-resistant spatula. Let cool in the pan or, for faster results, in a new bowl.

 

Dough

In the bowl of a stand mixer, briefly whisk the dry dough ingredients, and then add the sweet stiff starter, separating it into 5-6 portions as you add it to the bowl.

Now pour/scrape in all the wet ingredients (including the tangzhong), with the melted butter last. With the dough hook attachment, mix on low speed for a minute, scrape down the sides, and then mix on medium speed for 15-20 minutes. The dough will seem very soft, but as you approach the 15-20 minute mark, it should not stick to your hands and should pass the windowpane test.

Transfer the dough to a lightly oiled bowl, form it into a ball, flip it smooth side up, cover and let rise for 6-12 hours depending on room temperature. You can place the dough into the fridge to chill the dough for about 1.5 hours, this makes rolling the dough easier.

Prepare your pans by greasing them or line with parchment paper.

Scrape the dough out onto a clean counter top. Lightly flour the bench. Press the dough into a rectangle and divide it into four. Shape each tightly into a boule, allow to rest 5 mins. Using a rolling pin roll each ball out and then letterfold. Turn 90* and using a rolling pin roll each out to at least 8”. Roll each into a tight roll with some tension. Arrange the rolls of dough inside your lined pan alternating the direction of the swirls. This should allow a greater rise during proof and in the oven.

Cover and let proof for 2-4 hours (more if you put the dough in the refrigerator). I proof until the top of the dough comes to within 1 cm of the top edge of the pan.

Preheat the oven to 350F and brush the dough with the egg-milk wash.

 

Bake the loaves for 50 minutes or until the internal temperature is at least 190F. Shield your loaf if it gets brown early in the baking process. After 50 mins remove the bread from the pan and bake a further 10 mins by placing the loaf directly in the oven on the rack with the temperature turned down to 325ºF. If you loaf is super tall like mine was, I gave it another 7 mins with the oven turned off to really ensure that the side crust was firm enough to hold its shape. You can brush the top of the loaf with butter if you wish at this point while the bread is still hot.

 

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JonJ

Am still loving the yeast water! This was a repeat of Hamelman's "Swiss Farmhouse" from the community bake - used the same formula but with some minor tweaks. Said tweaks being that I used apple yeast water (fed using Granny Smith apples, originally started as a raisin yeast water); and replaced the raisins and walnuts by cranberries and pecans; the cranberries were soaked in boiled water for 20 minutes and so were slightly more hydrated than the raisins usually are.

The interesting thing about using the apple yeast water this time is that build 1 and build 2 both had some lovely apple odours to them, but as usual with the yeast waters I can't taste it in the final bread.

The bread flour that I used ("Champagne Valley") needed fairly long in the mixer before the mixer ran clean. It ended up needing 20 minutes before I was satisfied, and perhaps next time I use this brand of flour I'll try it with an autolyse beforehand as that felt like a long time. But, the long mix gave a nicely developed gluten, and I've never had the experience of slicing into a bread and thinking the interior looked like the interior of a croissant until this one.

To be fair "work meetings" meant I was distracted, so perhaps I let the fermentation run longer than usual too, but that isn't such a bad thing now, is it? So this bread had 2 hours of bulk fermentation before shaping without any coil folds, followed by 2 hours of final proof before it was baked without a cold retard. The aliquot jar at the time of baking showed a volume increase of about 225%, think this is a first for me without over proofing!

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HeiHei29er

It's been a busy summer and haven't had time to post much.  Have still been baking though.  Have tried a number of different breads, but I keep coming back to my stand-by.  Buckwheat and oat.  

I've done numerous variants, but this is one of my favorites.  I think the maple and toasted buckwheat make a nice combination.

This recipe uses only yeast water but could also be done with a poolish using ADY.  Each variant I make follows the same basic method.  Because this dough spreads so easily, I score it with long diagonals leaving a large strap intact to hold the sides together. 

Crumb shot tomorrow.

Hope everyone had a great summer and look forward to reading your posts as summer winds down and I get some time to post again!



EDIT: Crumb added…

 

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